Current Affairs Ukraine

[Goat]

Yeah, try biting the hand that feeds you, see what happens.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Yeah, try biting the hand that feeds you, see what happens.

It's the Everton way

 

[stipe]

I think they should just apologize (through some background channels) and pay compensation to families of two dead farmers.

Nobody blames them anyway, its not like they fired there on purpose.

Insisting on some conspiracies is pointless, Americans probably knew from the start from where missile came, so many radars and planes patrolling there.

 

[tsubaki]

That is the sort of statement that the Russian government made after MH17 or Salisbury

 

[cooperman]

Spot on mate.

I said last night Millitary Intelligence will have known from the moment they where launched , where from & who deployed them.

This could have been nipped in the bud if indeed they are Ukraine retaliative missiles very early doors , instead of fuelling a media frenzy.

But of course Putin can stop things like this happening any time he wishes.

Amazing how there's such a level of surveillance. Many years ago, the initial claims of Ukraine would've been accepted on face value and we'd likely have a dangerous escalation

 

[tsubaki]

Amazing how there's such a level of surveillance. Many years ago, the initial claims of Ukraine would've been accepted on face value and we'd likely have a dangerous escalation

Not sure about that - there has (sadly) been a lengthy history of accidents involving missiles, and nearly always the guilty party admits it because the evidence is usually so obvious and overwhelming. These are not stealthy things, after all.

 

[PeregrineT]

I mean, not so sure yet that they really know where it came from. Ukraine sound pretty confident they tracked it all the way and can provide that. I think Ill probably just wait a couple days before saying the world should burn or declaring someone else did it.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Tends to support the conclusion that the rocket was in fact Russian, and that this is being hushed up.

Yeah, try biting the hand that feeds you, see what happens.

This is why. Zelenskyy hasn't made many media missteps. If he's trying to entangle NATO, he probably has something with which to back it up. A stone bluff doesn't make sense here. Ukraine is obviously better off admitting the problem, if they're in fact responsible.

 

[tsubaki]

Tends to support the conclusion that the rocket was in fact Russian, and that this is being hushed up.

This is why. Zelenskyy hasn't made many media missteps. If he's trying to entangle NATO, he probably has something with which to back it up. A stone bluff doesn't make sense here. Ukraine is obviously better off admitting the problem, if they're in fact responsible.

It might - as I said, its exactly the sort of thing the Russians do. Admitting fault would only work with Western audiences; suggesting that you'd be ready to do nearly anything to win works with Russian ones (or at least the people at the top).

 

[Martin Alvito]

It might - as I said, its exactly the sort of thing the Russians do. Admitting fault would only work with Western audiences; suggesting that you'd be ready to do nearly anything to win works with Russian ones (or at least the people at the top).

Interesting thought. You're suggesting that he's playing to his domestic audience, rather than NATO. I think he's bulletproof if he wins the war outright, and he has a history of doing or saying anything in the media that might wring further concessions from NATO, but you might be correct that he's hedging his bets in case things turn into a slog.

 

[tsubaki]

Interesting thought. You're suggesting that he's playing to his domestic audience, rather than NATO. I think he's bulletproof if he wins the war outright, and he has a history of doing or saying anything in the media that might wring further concessions from NATO, but you might be correct that he's hedging his bets in case things turn into a slog.

I didn't mean he was hedging his bets, I meant he was acting in ways which the Russian elite would understand.

If he admitted this was them and organized a tearful, carefully controlled meeting between him and selected family members of the dead men then he'd be doing what Western leaders would do.

Doing this, and getting his government and media to push it out is what the Russian state would do. I think doing it is much more likely to get at least respect from the other side. Lets not forget that, in foreign relations at least, Putin tends to respect those who stand up to him (take Erdogan for example, who has seen his forces shoot down a Russian bomber and kill the Russian ambassador in the past few years and yet gets treated as an honoured guest).

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Yarrgh]

I didn't mean he was hedging his bets, I meant he was acting in ways which the Russian elite would understand.

If he admitted this was them and organized a tearful, carefully controlled meeting between him and selected family members of the dead men then he'd be doing what Western leaders would do.

Doing this, and getting his government and media to push it out is what the Russian state would do. I think doing it is much more likely to get at least respect from the other side. Lets not forget that, in foreign relations at least, Putin tends to respect those who stand up to him (take Erdogan for example, who has seen his forces shoot down a Russian bomber and kill the Russian ambassador in the past few years and yet gets treated as an honoured guest).

Talking about Turkey, they're a bit further out of alignment after the explosion this week. If they fall out with the US what's it going to mean for NATO and Ukraine?

 

[Goat]

Saw he was trending, noticed these lovely people.





They seem really great people.

 

[stipe]

American politics is nuts, if im to believe social media half the population hate other half with burning passion and constantly countering each other.

And i thought Italy is bad with all North and South hate and open xenophobia/internal racism toward southerners.