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[LinekersLegs]

I'm not aware, off the top of my head, of any cases where the consensus is that diplomatic discussion caused the parties to come away with hardened positions. There's plenty in the psychological literature to suggest the possibility, but world leaders tend to be pretty rational in the "I know what I want and I know how to get it" sense. Somebody showed pretty unequivocally that Air Force officers are better at that than the usual college student lab rats about 25 years ago.

I will continue to maintain that we won't observe meaningful talks until either Russia is ready to cough up Crimea or Ukraine gets beaten down to the point that they are compelled to accept territorial concessions. There's not a lot of point in a conversation when the sides are this far apart.

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I’d have put the latter bit Russias admit defeat in Zaporizhzhia/Kherson and be willing for Luhansk and Donetsk to have autonomy will international peacekeepers as security but still think we are a long way even for that.

 

[Martin Alvito]

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I’d have put the latter bit Russias admit defeat in Zaporizhzhia/Kherson and be willing for Luhansk and Donetsk to have autonomy will international peacekeepers as security but still think we are a long way even for that.

Zelenskyy is pretty committed to getting all the dirt back. I don't think he can row backwards on that one politically, because he likely loses the election in eighteen months if he does. Things would have to change substantially on the ground for that move to open up.

A winter with no/limited power may well do that, but we'll have to see.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Zelenskyy is pretty committed to getting all the dirt back. I don't think he can row backwards on that one politically, because he likely loses the election in eighteen months if he does. Things would have to change substantially on the ground for that move to open up.

A winter with no/limited power may well do that, but we'll have to see.

Think there will be considerable outside pressure on him, especially from Europe, if that one opens up but agree there are strong domestic pressures countering it.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

It is absolutely deniable to say that some of those Iranian drones are made in Syria - the whole point of the Iranian drone programme is precisely that it is indigenous to them. The Syrians might be manufacturing some under licence for their own use, but these will not be supplied to Iran or Iran's customers.

Iran also has a well publicised drone factory in Tajikistan so certainly they are not indigenous to Iran.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[verreauxi]

 

[wm02]

Maybe I’m just getting old, but half of them look like kids.
Which makes me sad on a number of levels tbh

 

[peteblue]

The remind me of someone……

 

[tsubaki]

Maybe I’m just getting old, but half of them look like kids.
Which makes me sad on a number of levels tbh

war is usually nearly all kids

look at Guy Gibson - VC, DFC and Bar, DSO and Bar, 175 combat missions (including the most famous raid of the entire war), a six month tour of North America and a Wing Commander

he was 26 when he died

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Yarrgh]

I really hope this is brinkmanship. There will be no way to reverse the effects of this and the next steps is too awful to consider.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The reaction of these liberated people is as upsetting as it is beautiful.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

interesting interview from Prof. Snyder below. The WP article is paywalled but the thread has the conversation in images.



Snyder does an interesting series of lectires on the history of Ukraine that are worth a look if such things interest you - available online.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 1: Ukrainian Questions Posed by Russian Invasion​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 2: The Genesis of Nations​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 3: Geography and Ancient History​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 4: Before Europe​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 5: Vikings, Slavers, Lawgivers: The Kyiv State​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 6: The Grand Duchy of Lithuania​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 7. Rise of Muscovite Power​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 8. Early Jews of Modern Ukraine​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 9. Polish Power and Cossack Revolution​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 10. Global Empires​

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Timothy Snyder: Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 11.Ottoman Retreat, Russian Power,Ukrainian Populism​

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Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine. Class 12. Habsburg Curiosity​

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[PhilM]