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PhilM said:
I have an inkling that the Russians will be using the drones as a method of attrition against the Ukrainian air defences: identify positions; use resources.

While it will sadly cause civilian causalities, it may be sensible for the Ukrainians to not commit too many resources to counter them, just yet.
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Perhaps - though I suppose it depends on what they (the Ukrainians) are countering them with. From the footage today it seems its volume of fire from rifles and above, which wouldn't be much of a drain on resources.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
I hear that the Ukes are about to release an anti-drone drone. Wonder who helped them develop that?
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TBF it isn't the sort of thing that needs much in the way of modern / high tech development - at its heart it would be basically a less complicated version of a guided air to air missile used against a target that won't evade it.
 
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With the usual provisos about the source of the first tweet and the person it reports on, if that is what he has said then it is potentially welcome and a bit of a change from previous statements - it is a much more accurate description of the immediate pre-war Ukrainian political scene than just calling them Nazis was, and it makes a separation between the leadership and the neo-Nazis.

By that I mean the torchlight parades happened, as did the people walking around with Nazi symbols, and the government did at least acquiesce to the Neo-Nazi groups (perhaps support is a bit much, I am not sure the government could realistically have done much).
 
tsubaki said:
Perhaps - though I suppose it depends on what they (the Ukrainians) are countering them with. From the footage today it seems its volume of fire from rifles and above, which wouldn't be much of a drain on resources.
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What they're countering it with will depend on the altitude. They're pretty slow (100mph-130mph) but apparently have a service ceiling of up to 3,500ft.

They may fly lower than this, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it'll exceed the effective range of most rifles in the Ukrainian arsenal.

So we're talking about heavier calibre weapons, and that would need to be in the right place; to get coverage, it'd be really, really difficult to effectively do so.

Additionally, it's very costly to shoot these things even with MANPADS, let alone larger defence systems. You're talking about tens of thousands of dollars.

They'd offer better coverage, but it is worth wasting these weapons against what's likely to be affective against soft targets, with the key ones already defended.

It may be great to hit them down for kudos, however until a system can adequately put in place I think they'll let a few through and perhaps take the hit.

To waste their arsenal on them is exactly what Russia will want, as they'll have a better chance with their fixed wing aircraft and cruise missiles.
 
PhilM said:
What they're countering it with will depend on the altitude. They're pretty slow (100mph-130mph) but apparently have a service ceiling of up to 3,500ft.

They may fly lower than this, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it'll exceed the effective range of most rifles in the Ukrainian arsenal.

So we're talking about heavier calibre weapons, and that would need to be in the right place; to get coverage, it'd be really, really difficult to effectively do so.

Additionally, it's very costly to shoot these things even with MANPADS, let alone larger defence systems. You're talking about tens of thousands of dollars.

They'd offer better coverage, but it is worth wasting these weapons against what's likely to be affective against soft targets, with the key ones already defended.

It may be great to hit them down for kudos, however until a system can adequately put in place I think they'll let a few through and perhaps take the hit.

To waste their arsenal on them is exactly what Russia will want, as they'll have a better chance with their fixed wing aircraft and cruise missiles.
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I’d be inclined to deploy a few C-RAM systems along with these newly developed counter-drone systems that effectively hang around, detect incoming drones then use a combination of gps / comms jamming and/or lasers to fry them.
 
PhilM said:
What they're countering it with will depend on the altitude. They're pretty slow (100mph-130mph) but apparently have a service ceiling of up to 3,500ft.

They may fly lower than this, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it'll exceed the effective range of most rifles in the Ukrainian arsenal.

So we're talking about heavier calibre weapons, and that would need to be in the right place; to get coverage, it'd be really, really difficult to effectively do so.

Additionally, it's very costly to shoot these things even with MANPADS, let alone larger defence systems. You're talking about tens of thousands of dollars.

They'd offer better coverage, but it is worth wasting these weapons against what's likely to be affective against soft targets, with the key ones already defended.

It may be great to hit them down for kudos, however until a system can adequately put in place I think they'll let a few through and perhaps take the hit.

To waste their arsenal on them is exactly what Russia will want, as they'll have a better chance with their fixed wing aircraft and cruise missiles.
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IIRC the Ukrainians have very heavy machine guns (the KPV for example) which would be ideal for this sort of thing, as would the old multiple .50 mounts used in WW2 and Korea. All you need then is simple detection equipment and you should be good to go against these sorts of targets.
 
tsubaki said:
IIRC the Ukrainians have very heavy machine guns (the KPV for example) which would be ideal for this sort of thing, as would the old multiple .50 mounts used in WW2 and Korea. All you need then is simple detection equipment and you should be good to go against these sorts of targets.
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These drones make a lot of noise, so maybe deploy acoustic radar / monitoring systems to help detect them and focus AD.
 
I heard on the radio today that the reason these drones are "relatively" successful is that they are launched in multiples making it difficult to scramble their signal/systems and also for air defences to pick them all off.

Just what I heard
 
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