bcblue1878
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The best solution for Taiwan is surely to leave them alone to get on with their lives, as should have happened in Ukraine!
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bluestevon
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Then you get into the situation of best case scenario hundreds of thousands of Chinese and Taiwanese dead and a wrecked country or at worst a conflict which isn't proxy but outright confrontation between China and the US mate. In neither of those does anyone win (especially the latter).
Their has to be an in between solution that imo satisfies both China and Taiwan - be that giving the country a degree of semi autonomy but under the Chinese Umbrella but with a very underwritten security apparatus, no NATO and no Chinese military on the Island, a self elected Taiwanese government and a constitution that accepts Taiwan being China BUT also a separate and unique province given its isolation from mainland and constitutionally having that underwritten and guaranteed.
Cos anything other than a diplomatic end to that is gonna make what's happening in Ukraine look like a warm up act to the main show if it does kick off there.
Think far too many people aren't realising just how serious the Taiwan issue is (especially in the US).
bluestevon
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I said realistic though mate, and that's just not being so.
I'd love Israel and the middle Eastern nations to suddenly go, let's just live our lives and stop hating each other.but I know it's not gonna happen and it needs diplomacy and the acceptance and realisation of BOTH sides grievances and POV. And in general wars start based on ignored grievances (real or imagined) from one side or both.
The world as it stands just seems to seriously lack any semblance of serious diplomacy - not helped by the fact most leaders are currently as thick as pig crap (and their inner circles,)
oH MATE, i HAVE BEEN ON ABOUT tAIWAN FOR YEARS. CAPSGGGR
What you are saying is correct in a "bow down to opressors and bullies and let them take our lands" sense, but life isnt like that. Look at Hong Kong the gradual erosion of the promises made.The Chinese are less trustworthy then Putin if that is at all possible.
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You are basically saying that every country under threat of invasion should surrender themselves without a fight to avoid blood shed? Again, Hitler would have have romped across Europe given your approach
That’s the risk and I believe they are looking at the possibility now of doing this. If they do decide to go down this road then it will be long and painful and require not only international legal backing but also a helluva lot of back door diplomacy.
We shall see
Oh my days - what is going on here?
Mined the gap!
Mined the gap!
Thats one way to get out of conscription
Yarrgh
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Any permutation fom all occupied lands now under Ukrainian control with a hostile Russia primed to press the button to where did Ukraine use to be?
I am going to go with Crimea and Donbass absorbed into Russia and Kherson/ Zaporizhzhia oblasts back under Ukrainian control and to be demilitarised zones. Ukrainian sovereignty will be guaranteed by NATO. This will be likely accompanied by a removal of both leaders of Ukraine and Russia (for this to happen, this conflict is going to have to carry on until it's untenable to carry on so I see it being a long drawn out painful slugging match or a shorter sharp non-conventional more awful event to cause it). Then we'll fail to rehabilitate Russia into the Western sphere of influence and this will happen all over again in a few decades and so on until we grasp the issue or China usurp the USA's dominance in world affairs.
Unless China/ Taiwan and North/ South Korea escalation drags away Ukrainian resources of course.
All I would say for certain is that in any circumstances, all parties are going to be disgruntled afterwards and resentments will carry over.
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Yarrgh
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Best result for Taiwan would be for China to submit to Taiwanese claims that Chinese lands belong to them.
Which of course is crazy. As crazy as changing China and Taiwan in my first paragraph would be. The 2 countries have co-existed now for many decades and I see no reason that this needs to change (as per Russia/ Ukraine). Definitely trying to stop Chinese escalation as per Russian escalation will benefit that region more than any conflict.
Spadge Vernacular
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As explained, this door has already been opened by the US with the Afghan central bank and in parallel with this action the demand for the dollar has gone through the roof. No one has backed off.
Humans understand that life comes with consequences and I am sure that when it comes to picking up the tab for Putins mess the fingers will quickly point at Russia. This would also act as a very serious deterent for any lunatic imperialist leaders looking at neighbours with greedy eyes, such as China and Taiwan.
It would be difficult for Russia for generations but this situation is of Russias making and is continuing because Russia will not stop their criminal behaviour.
If I came and burgled your house you would rightly want action against me, as would all right minded people.
If I commandeered the front two rooms of your house you'd want the powers that be to remove me, action against me and to see me punished.
More so if commandeered your rooms, robbed your possessions, raped your wife, killed your children etc.
That is what is happening but on a national level with Russia being the criminal. All right minded people would agree Russias actions are criminal and reprehensible, as the UN data indicates.
Spadge Vernacular
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Best case scenario, China to see what happens to Russia and think fook that, we cannot risk the same happening to us, and focus on becoming a friendly neighbour.
bluestevon
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Nope mate, but if the other option is seeing hundreds of thousands dead and a country ruined, then unless there is literally no way to avoid it short of bending over completely then reality is great powers have undue influence on smaller countries and always have and until we have a genuine independent body with teeth that can hold ANY aggressor truly accountable then we are screwed (and I don't see how a body like that comes into existence these days)
I don't trust any government of any major power mate, and few if any of any government in what they promise.
Nope mate, but think diplomacy needs to be the primary focus to avoid conflict which should always be a last resort - but also think that needs a very strong international none influenced body to do so, and we don't have one of those, so a catch 22.
He kinda did romp across Europe mate.
WW2 is a very strange study tbh, chose as part of my History thesis the causal effects and escalation of WW2 so had to study the cause and aftermath of WW1 as it was a hugely impactful on the landscape (literally and politically) of Europe.
What underlined it though was just how little it took for countries to take the opportunity when presented to try to land grab, still think in many countries including some European ones that lays not too deep under the surface as well. And given the right set of favourable circumstance it would come out.
Taifi gorm
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Most of that I agree with, however, Taiwan and Ukraine can NEVER roll over, it just doesnt work like that (unless you are French).
China would never allow Taiwan and sort of autonomy or democracy, they may say they will but it will be short lived.
peteblue
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Is the correct answer, and the only way to ensure this is for the West to support Ukraine in kicking Russia out completely….
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