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[peteblue]

Trump signed that off long before

So Biden didn’t have the power to reverse or change it…I could have sworn he was the President…..

 

[peteblue]

Polite plea - can we keep the discussion to Ukraine, plenty of other threads for discussion of the other topics.

Correct…..

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

And when you voted Remain and Jeremy Corbyn you were thinking about the message this sends to Putin. Get rid of our nuclear deterrence, follow the German led EU…yep that will have done it….

I voted Corbyn cos he would not have subjected this country to twelve years of utter misery

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I voted Corbyn cos he would not have subjected this country to twelve years of utter misery

Sorry, back to ukes nightmare

 

[Glasshalffull]

Polite plea - can we keep the discussion to Ukraine, plenty of other threads for discussion of the other topics.

So, do you think it'll be a cold, or a mild winter, then? ?

 

[LinekersLegs]

So, do you think it'll be a cold, or a mild winter, then? ?

For Russian mobilized troops it looks like it will be a pretty cold one.

 

[LinekersLegs]

“Its my party and I can cry if I want to” - poor Vlad

The first mobilization is going great, am sure expanding it will go smoothly and in no way indicate panic.

 

[ramacca]

If Zelensky gets his way it'll be a very very hot winter - Nuke Russia first.

Zelensky calls on NATO to launch a preemptive strike to ...​

https://meduza.io › news › 2022/10/06 › zelensky-calls-...

"What should NATO do? Exclude the possibility of use of nuclear weapons by Russia. But the most important, I’m again addressing the international community, is how it was before February 24: preventative strikes, so that they know what will happen if they use [a nuke]. And not the opposite, waiting for Russia to strike and then saying “oh, that’s how you are, now you can take it from us.” Reconsider how you apply pressure, the order of application".

From 25.00

IN FULL: Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is spoke to the Lowy Institute | ABC News

 

[LinekersLegs]

That is a lot of tanks

 

[slipstream86]

If Zelensky gets his way it'll be a very very hot winter - Nuke Russia first.

Zelensky calls on NATO to launch a preemptive strike to ...​

https://meduza.io › news › 2022/10/06 › zelensky-calls-...

"What should NATO do? Exclude the possibility of use of nuclear weapons by Russia. But the most important, I’m again addressing the international community, is how it was before February 24: preventative strikes, so that they know what will happen if they use [a nuke]. And not the opposite, waiting for Russia to strike and then saying “oh, that’s how you are, now you can take it from us.” Reconsider how you apply pressure, the order of application".

From 25.00

IN FULL: Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is spoke to the Lowy Institute | ABC News

Without reading that in full, I presume Zelensky is being purposefully misquoted to make a story here.

Zelensky would be signing the death warrant of millions of his own citizens by ordering in a conventional NATO strike on Russias capability to wage nuclear war.... Not that Nato would ever do it under any realistic circumstances.

One of the preconditions laid out in the Russian strategic policy that would authorize a nuclear strike from them is any conventional attack that targets the nuclear weapon syetems or command and control facilities of Russia.

It would be impossible for NATO to ever completely disarm Russia of its nuclear weapons in total. They have thousands of mobile stategic missiles whos exact whereabouts are indeterminable, not to mention the ones hidden under the ocean in submarines. There would always be enough russian nuclear weapons remaining to render the planet (including Ukraine) uninhabitable in retailation to any conceivable strike by NATO.

This concept is the essence of deterrence. Both sides have had a guarranted second strike capability since the early 60s, and that is what kept the balance of peace.

 

[Martin Alvito]

So Biden didn’t have the power to reverse or change it…I could have sworn he was the President…..

Hard to fight a war when Congress refuses to pay for it. Our system doesn't work the way yours does, which is why people are concerned that a Republican House might defund assistance for Ukraine.

That is a lot of tanks

They'll run out of tanks quickly at that rate. They have plenty they could restore, but that costs. If I lived in Vladivostok, I would seriously consider relocating.

 

[ramacca]

Without reading that in full, I presume Zelensky is being purposefully misquoted to make a story here.

Zelensky would be signing the death warrant of millions of his own citizens by ordering in a conventional NATO strike on Russias capability to wage nuclear war.... Not that Nato would ever do it under any realistic circumstances.

One of the preconditions laid out in the Russian strategic policy that would authorize a nuclear strike from them is any conventional attack that targets the nuclear weapon syetems or command and control facilities of Russia.

It would be impossible for NATO to ever completely disarm Russia of its nuclear weapons in total. They have thousands of mobile stategic missiles whos exact whereabouts are indeterminable, not to mention the ones hidden under the ocean in submarines. There would always be enough russian nuclear weapons remaining to render the planet (including Ukraine) uninhabitable in retailation to any conceivable strike by NATO.

This concept is the essence of deterrence. Both sides have had a guarranted second strike capability since the early 60s, and that is what kept the balance of peace.

Watch the video - from 25.00 and judge for yourself.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Without reading that in full, I presume Zelensky is being purposefully misquoted to make a story here.

Zelensky would be signing the death warrant of millions of his own citizens by ordering in a conventional NATO strike on Russias capability to wage nuclear war.... Not that Nato would ever do it under any realistic circumstances.

One of the preconditions laid out in the Russian strategic policy that would authorize a nuclear strike from them is any conventional attack that targets the nuclear weapon syetems or command and control facilities of Russia.

It would be impossible for NATO to ever completely disarm Russia of its nuclear weapons in total. They have thousands of mobile stategic missiles whos exact whereabouts are indeterminable, not to mention the ones hidden under the ocean in submarines. There would always be enough russian nuclear weapons remaining to render the planet (including Ukraine) uninhabitable in retailation to any conceivable strike by NATO.

This concept is the essence of deterrence. Both sides have had a guarranted second strike capability since the early 60s, and that is what kept the balance of peace.

I tend to disagree. Zelenskyy is trained as a lawyer. Most of them don't think in terms of balance of power and deterrence. They think in terms of arm-twisting.

 

[bluestevon]

I tend to disagree. Zelenskyy is trained as a lawyer. Most of them don't think in terms of balance of power and deterrence. They think in terms of arm-twisting.

As is Putin