Current Affairs Ukraine

[Kurt.]

Also tbf you didn't make a typo either, you used the wrong tense, again a simple mistake

I except your apology

 

[bluestevon]

I except your apology

It's fine mate I'll make an acception for you this one time

 

[bluestevon]

It's social media and we're all mailing it in to some degree or another. It's not like we're subjecting our posts to six revisions before putting them out there.

Pretty much yup, I also have a habit of forgetting to change language on the keyboard on the PC and only realising half way through a post I'm typing utter gobbledygook

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

But let's be realistic, neither country in any conceivable scenario was going to be invaded by Russia, so where us the advantage for the people?

Personally I think its a response to Putin's nuclear willy-waving antics of late. The advantage being for the people of Sweden and Finland is that by joining NATO they come under the protection of the NATO Nuclear umbrella. It also provides additional stability and security for the Baltic sea region and a closer more defined working relationship with Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Lithuania.

Swedish and Finnish national defence industries will also benefit from this move by creating jobs and exports therefore increasing tax revenue.

 

[larrygobfiend]

It’s hard to know what to believe, but I’m reading that they’re throwing the new conscripts straight into the mix to replenish losses. Putin and his mates don’t give a crap about their own people.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Pretty much yup, I also have a habit of forgetting to change language on the keyboard on the PC and only realising half way through a post I'm typing utter gobbledygook

This is not a problem for me as I only speak the one. I  understand others to greater or lesser degrees, mind, but it would appear that I am hard-wired for this language.

 

[davids]

M
Haven't both Sweden and Finland both got massive reserves in the army ?.
Sure I read somewhere Finland can call up 9 hundred thousand if they go to war.

And you can shoot down a Russian fighter with a kids catapult. ( Recent reports allege)

 

[davids]

I just find it weird as anything that the percieved view on here seems to be "Russians should take out Putin for sending their friends, husbands, brothers and kids to die' - should they put blame on him, yup damned right to do so.

But errrrm, slight thing here, the deaths are being inflicted by Ukranians using NATO weaponry, from troops trained by NATO, and using stategic planning, targetting and guidance provided by NATO.

Now remember the anger when the 'fake' story hit the media about Russian bounties paid on dead us soldiers in Afhganistan, now ask the question will the vast majority of Russians blame the person who started the war or will the blame be directed towards those helping the killing of Russians.

I'm not saying right or wrong, I'm saying ask that very pertinent question.
So take an imaginary example.

If your brother or friend served in Iraq and was killed by an Iraqi who was using a newly supplied Russian anti tank weapon, the person firing it had just returned from training in Moscow how to use it, and your real time location was supplied to him by a Russian military analyst, are you marching with a gun to downing street or Washington to remove Blair or Bush or are you now hating the Russians?

The sad reality is a lot of the Brit lads in Iraq were killed by US and British ams left over from the Iran Iraq war. The world really is a mess.

 

[bluestevon]

It’s hard to know what to believe, but I’m reading that they’re throwing the new conscripts straight into the mix to replenish losses. Putin and his mates don’t give a crap about their own people.

They haven't even finished issuing recruitment papers yet mate, so I seriously doubt they are, also it doesn't tally with the reports that the east of the country is where the majority are coming from either. The pure logistics of that just seem absurdly unlikely.

In terms if what I've seen - one person I know was issued papers, reported, but has already been sent home due to an existing medical condition. Everyone else I've heard through second hand sources (friends of friends/students etc) that's recieved papers so far at least have all been former contracted military, rather than the reservist guys who'd just done military national service. Caveat is that it's only a sample pool of 6 people.

 

[bluestevon]

On another personal note, some of my wife's colleagues had to cross the Kazakhstan border yesterday, and besides the guys being checked against the list of called up reservists, said it wasn't anything out the normal but was noticable busier, an adult student went to Georgia on holiday on Monday (today) so asked her how it was also, if it was as it's being reported of floods of people,

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Seen footage doing the rounds of a commander in an enlistment centre supposedly in Irkutsk in eastern Russia being shot.

Mobilisation going to plan then…

This?

 

[LostLegend]

I’ve seen other reports saying the shooter was wearing a top with some sort of ‘Nazi symbols’ on. Not sure of the details other than that.

 

[LostLegend]

This?

I assume it’s the same one (that’s behind a pay wall) footage was inside some sort of class/meeting room and you couldn’t see very much.

 

[PhilM]

M
Haven't both Sweden and Finland both got massive reserves in the army ?.
Sure I read somewhere Finland can call up 9 hundred thousand if they go to war.

Finland still required national service (universal conscription) with eighteen-year-old men receiving training and kept on the reserve list until fifty, I think.

They keep them refreshed and fitness tests and whatnot over the period, so in time of war they could call up to meet their minimum quota.

Let's be honest, I don't think most countries would want to fight Finland in their own backyard, as they know the land, fortify it and have tonnes of artillery.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Finland still required national service (universal conscription) with eighteen-year-old men receiving training and kept on the reserve list until fifty, I think.

They keep them refreshed and fitness tests and whatnot over the period, so in time of war they could call up to meet their minimum quota.

Let's be honest, I don't think most countries would want to fight Finland in their own backyard, as they know the land, fortify it and have tonnes of artillery.

And them white boiler suits.