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[tsubaki]

Sounds like it is working, as young Russians install VPNs to interact with the superior western products online and those in power know they can't do anything about it.

Imagine how much more effective it would have been if all of those superior western products were still available in the country, and those in power were the ones who had to come up with a way to restrict access to them / prevent the money earned leaving the country.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Fully agree with the second parts, and thanks for the info on Pelosi. I genuinely don't know enough about how American politics work, other than I think both of the last two administrations have been a complete disaster. Anyone sensible knew the Trump one would be, but I feel a lot of people tried to kid themselves with Biden. He just has nothing about him.

It is very hard to run a government when every legislator with your party affiliation in the upper house has veto power over any controversial legislation. It's literally the Articles of Confederation within their party in the Senate (unanimity required to do anything), except there are even more people seated at the table.

No doubt that Biden is slow to act and poor at managing expectations and the media. Those things are not news, though. Most people just weren't paying enough attention to know.

 

[davids]

That support from the EU will begin to fray come winter. I am living in Germany. Most people will have little trouble getting through the winter (we won't be freezing by turning down our thermostats from 22 degrees to 19) even if we will pay more for the pleasure. But enough at the lower end will struggle. The government will compensate them, no doubt, but the political will to support a war outside Nato and EU borders will be questioned by a hard-pressed public getting fed up with further price hikes. The government will need to keep people onside. Abandoning the hugely popular €9 monthly public transport ticket while doubling energy bills will not be a sustainable position, I fear. I hear people say that Putin won't stop if we let him to Ukraine. I sympathise with that point of view - to a point. The idea he will risk a nuclear war by invading a NATO or EU country makes no sense to me. So, he will stop. At the borders of the EU and NATO.

However, is it moral to allow this to happen? I happen to think not. I think we need to support Ukraine. But that doesn't mean that the current Ukrainian leadership are fighting for our "values". They are fighting their own battle for their own reasons. That's fine. I just can't listen to the propaganda that they are fighting for us. No, they're not. It's not one bit surprising they are outraged at Amnesty's report saying they are endangering civilians by turning schools and hospitals into army bases. This is a country that prevents its men from crossing its borders unless they have two kids. Those with one - or none - are to be fodder, apparently. I think we should support Ukraine. But let's cut the propaganda. It is a massively corrupt country that deserves its chance to develop. But at some point the West must decide if it is really going to go all-in in its support (without actually fighting the Russians) or if it is going to draw a line in the sand and say "this far and no further". Is that line at the Ukrainian borders pre-2014, after 2014, before the 2022 war, or after some more fighting? Or is it at the EU/NATO borders? No easy answers. But any notion of going back to deal with the Russians in a business as usual style is gone for the next hundred years. They are - at the very best - an unreliable partner. At worst? Savages.

Savages? Lots of Iraq's, Libyans and Afghans know about savages,just look up the figures for deaths and injuries after the Nato invasions. Let's be honest here savage behaviour is not just a Russian thing, a war that is in the opinion of US and Nato military strategists bound for stalemate. By supplying weapons for profit (lease loan) leading to the continuing deaths of innocent women and children because of the same weapons supply is that a savage act?

 

[Drico]

Savages? Lots of Iraq's, Libyans and Afghans know about savages,just look up the figures for deaths and injuries after the Nato invasions. Let's be honest here savage behaviour is not just a Russian thing, a war that is in the opinion of US and Nato military strategists bound for stalemate. By supplying weapons for profit (lease loan) leading to the continuing deaths of innocent women and children because of the same weapons supply is that a savage act?

Oh, please. Putin and his henchmen are utter savages. Stop defending the indefensible. Plenty of US politicians fall into the same category - but we are discussing the Russian elite here. Utter savages.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Oh, please. Putin and his henchmen are utter savages. Stop defending the indefensible. Plenty of US politicians fall into the same category - but we are discussing the Russian elite here. Utter savages.

Bingo

 

[davids]

Oh, please. Putin and his henchmen are utter savages. Stop defending the indefensible. Plenty of US politicians fall into the same category - but we are discussing the Russian elite here. Utter savages.

So what happened to the 100,00+ civilians in Iraq,and those in Libya, Afghanistan etc wasn't savage? BBC tell you that? No savage behaviour in this war from Ukrainian troops? Wars attract psychopaths.
Wonder what this bloke is? Travels around the world killing... because he can?

Canadian sniper quits Ukraine saying it was 'disappointing'

Wali, the famous Canadian sniper, has fled war-torn Ukraine. Wali stated he was almost killed "several times" during his tour in the beleaguered count

www.westernstandard.news

 

[davids]

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-defenses-collapse/
Good to look at the view from both sides, without censorship.

 

[davids]

Savages? Lots of Iraq's, Libyans and Afghans know about savages,just look up the figures for deaths and injuries after the Nato invasions. Let's be honest here savage behaviour is not just a Russian thing, a war that is in the opinion of US and Nato military strategists bound for stalemate. By supplying weapons for profit (lease loan) leading to the continuing deaths of innocent women and children because of the same weapons supply is that a savage act?

Same posters laughing at the deaths of innocent women and children. Says so much.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Concerning news about the Nuclear power plant In Zaporizhzhia. One it’s main power feeds has just gone down.

 

[Drico]

So what happened to the 100,00+ civilians in Iraq,and those in Libya, Afghanistan etc wasn't savage? BBC tell you that? No savage behaviour in this war from Ukrainian troops? Wars attract psychopaths.
Wonder what this bloke is? Travels around the world killing... because he can?

Canadian sniper quits Ukraine saying it was 'disappointing'

Wali, the famous Canadian sniper, has fled war-torn Ukraine. Wali stated he was almost killed "several times" during his tour in the beleaguered count

www.westernstandard.news

This is about as relevant as asking me what happened when Genghis Khan launched his offensives in the 13th century.

We are talking about THE CURRENT RUSSIAN ELITE. My opinions on Genghis, the Americans, the aliens in Mars Attacks, or Rafael Benitez are utterly beside the point, no matter how you might want to steer the conversation away from unpalatable truths.

You seem to want to engage in whataboutery. In doing so, you are a Putin-enabler, a sad stooge for Russian progaganda. Are there some savages in Western society and political leadership? You bet. Is Tony Blair a war criminal? Undoubtedly. Are the Americans the only ones to drop an atomic bomb? Absolutely. Does any of this change the simple fact that Putin and his henchmen are utter savages? Not for a moment.

 

[davids]

This is about as relevant as asking me what happened when Genghis Khan launched his offensives in the 13th century.

We are talking about THE CURRENT RUSSIAN ELITE. My opinions on Genghis, the Americans, the aliens in Mars Attacks, or Rafael Benitez are utterly beside the point, no matter how you might want to steer the conversation away from unpalatable truths.

You seem to want to engage in whataboutery. In doing so, you are a Putin-enabler, a sad stooge for Russian progaganda. Are there some savages in Western society and political leadership? You bet. Is Tony Blair a war criminal? Undoubtedly. Are the Americans the only ones to drop an atomic bomb? Absolutely. Does any of this change the simple fact that Putin and his henchmen are utter savages? Not for a moment.

Who is enabling the extension of this war by selling arms to the Ukraine? Could it just be the US and to a lesser extent NATO? You another armchair supporter of continuing this while women and children die every day? Because that's the reality of the situation... today!

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Who is enabling the extension of this war by selling arms to the Ukraine? Could it just be the US and to a lesser extent NATO? You another armchair supporter of continuing this while women and children die every day? Because that's the reality of the situation... today!

Drico just blew you away

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Who is enabling the extension of this war by selling arms to the Ukraine? Could it just be the US and to a lesser extent NATO? You another armchair supporter of continuing this while women and children die every day? Because that's the reality of the situation... today!

Women and children die everyday… yes, cos vlad invaded their country- yiu know this but ignore it.

Strange

 

[Deleted member 48881]

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-defenses-collapse/
Good to look at the view from both sides, without censorship.

SouthFront (sometimes written South Front) is a multilingual fake news site registered in Russia that "combines Kremlin talking points with detailed knowledge of military systems and ongoing conflicts and attempts to appeal to military enthusiasts, veterans, and conspiracy theorists."[1] According to the European Union's EU vs Disinfo, SouthFront publishes news focused on "security issues, foreign policy, military analysis and reports on military hardware" while "loyally relaying whatever suits the Kremlin."[2]

 

[Drico]

Who is enabling the extension of this war by selling arms to the Ukraine? Could it just be the US and to a lesser extent NATO? You another armchair supporter of continuing this while women and children die every day? Because that's the reality of the situation... today!

Women and children - and men, why forget them? - are dying every day because Mr Putin is a savage, illegally invading a sovereign country. If that invaded country wishes to defend itself, that is a matter for that country and them alone. Nobody dies if Putin is not a savage.

My personal opinion is that Zelenskiiy and his government should have gone into exile when it became clear that the savage in Moscow was keen, once more, to prove his savagery. Doing so could possibly have spared some from the savagery of the St. Petersburg savage. But, that's an easy position for me to take living here in Berlin.

The bitter truth for those - including me - who think a tactical retreat would have been better for civilians (in terms of whether they lived or died) is that we are not the ones who will then be subjugated by the savage. In that sense, this is a matter for Ukrainians and them alone.