It’s putins war, not liz bloody truss
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Drico
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Wow, I actually agree with Pete on something.
Drico
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That support from the EU will begin to fray come winter. I am living in Germany. Most people will have little trouble getting through the winter (we won't be freezing by turning down our thermostats from 22 degrees to 19) even if we will pay more for the pleasure. But enough at the lower end will struggle. The government will compensate them, no doubt, but the political will to support a war outside Nato and EU borders will be questioned by a hard-pressed public getting fed up with further price hikes. The government will need to keep people onside. Abandoning the hugely popular €9 monthly public transport ticket while doubling energy bills will not be a sustainable position, I fear. I hear people say that Putin won't stop if we let him to Ukraine. I sympathise with that point of view - to a point. The idea he will risk a nuclear war by invading a NATO or EU country makes no sense to me. So, he will stop. At the borders of the EU and NATO.
Ukraine ‘endangers civilians’ with army bases in residential areas, says Amnesty
Ukraine government and international law experts argue report ignores wartime realitieswww.theguardian.com
Amnesty having a pop now at Ukraine. That's a noticeable shift in stance across the spectrum from total support to starting to criticise.
An extra 8 billion from the EU on the other hand shows that support is still there. I guess it's down to how much the US wants to support the Ukrainians now that China is flaring up.
However, is it moral to allow this to happen? I happen to think not. I think we need to support Ukraine. But that doesn't mean that the current Ukrainian leadership are fighting for our "values". They are fighting their own battle for their own reasons. That's fine. I just can't listen to the propaganda that they are fighting for us. No, they're not. It's not one bit surprising they are outraged at Amnesty's report saying they are endangering civilians by turning schools and hospitals into army bases. This is a country that prevents its men from crossing its borders unless they have two kids. Those with one - or none - are to be fodder, apparently. I think we should support Ukraine. But let's cut the propaganda. It is a massively corrupt country that deserves its chance to develop. But at some point the West must decide if it is really going to go all-in in its support (without actually fighting the Russians) or if it is going to draw a line in the sand and say "this far and no further". Is that line at the Ukrainian borders pre-2014, after 2014, before the 2022 war, or after some more fighting? Or is it at the EU/NATO borders? No easy answers. But any notion of going back to deal with the Russians in a business as usual style is gone for the next hundred years. They are - at the very best - an unreliable partner. At worst? Savages.
The world would be a better place with more Corbyns
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In a perfect world maybe, unfortunately it isn’t …..
Drico
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And Pete is right on this once again. Dearie me.
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Hamas/Palestinians do that too (weapons in residential areas) and we all support them v Israel. It is just smth what inferior sides in war need to doUkraine ‘endangers civilians’ with army bases in residential areas, says Amnesty
Ukraine government and international law experts argue report ignores wartime realities
Amnesty having a pop now at Ukraine. That's a noticeable shift in stance across the spectrum from total support to starting to criticise.
An extra 8 billion from the EU on the other hand shows that support is still there. I guess it's down to how much the US wants to support the Ukrainians now that China is flaring up.
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Tbf hamas (not ordinary Palestinians ) do this but not nearly as often as the IDF state. They use it as a reason to blow up any hospital, tv station, tower block etc they feel.
I imagine Russia are playing the same game, see the theatre in Mariupol
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that's my point....Russia plays the Israel in this war.
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That is a really revealing segment, and we should all re-evaluate how sensible it was for so many Western firms to be encouraged by their own governments to leave the Russian market.
We've lost a huge chunk of our influence there as a result and there is an urgent need to put it back there.
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What ‘influence’ did we have in averting the invasion of Ukraine……
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There Can Be No Concessions or Negotiations with Vladimir Putin
Kyiv-based Paul Niland explores why recent calls for Ukraine to come to a 'peaceful compromise' with Russia – despite its unprovoked invasion of the country continuing – cannot be adhered to
bylinetimes.com
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The Psychologists Treating Rape Victims in Ukraine
A grassroots effort is offering mental-health care to Ukrainians who’ve faced sexual violence at the hands of the Russian invasion force.
@davidsThere Can Be No Concessions or Negotiations with Vladimir Putin
Kyiv-based Paul Niland explores why recent calls for Ukraine to come to a 'peaceful compromise' with Russia – despite its unprovoked invasion of the country continuing – cannot be adhered to
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The Psychologists Treating Rape Victims in Ukraine
A grassroots effort is offering mental-health care to Ukrainians who’ve faced sexual violence at the hands of the Russian invasion force.www.newyorker.com
Sounds like it is working, as young Russians install VPNs to interact with the superior western products online and those in power know they can't do anything about it.
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