Current Affairs UK General Election July

[Blue 1]

Not *Lake* Windermere.

Just Windermere.

Goddammit.

 

[orchard]

Not *Lake* Windermere.

Just Windermere.

Goddammit.

FMRO2 M8

 

[Kurt.]

The Tory fanboys are getting feisty for sure.

But yeah, im probably gonna put these threads on ignore and come back in 5 weeks to celebrate the glorious victory.

sir Kierisma

 

[tsubaki]

Negative voting in a two party race with our current electoral system is very scary to me. It effectively installs a dictatorship. No party should have as much power as Labour are going to have. In 5 years, we'll have had 10 years of a government essentially being able to do what it wants, just over 2 parties. Its barely worth Parliament sitting if some of these polls end up being right, we might as well just have Covid style Cabinet decision making.

None of it matters anyway, they can say what they want, but as always external factors will influence what actually happens. Once energy prices soar based on wars/natural disasters etc it all falls apart and doesn't matter who is in charge.

I guess many will take solace from things being just as bad as long as the government has the "right intentions". But I do wonder where the anger currently aimed at the Tories will go when things don't improve.

And don't get me started on how Israel/Palestine is becoming such a large part of people's voting decisions, ignoring things that actually have an effect on their own lives.

The whole system is broken, this isn't democracy (or maybe its exactly as intended)

TBF Israel / Palestine is one of those canary in a coal mine issues and people are absolutely right to use it amongst all the other factors that determine their vote.

I mean, one of the main reasons the system is broken is precisely because of the corrupting nature of lobbies, rewards and political preference associated with that. There’s no greater example of this in the U.K. than the pro-Israeli lobby, which has for decades sought successfully to put the concerns of the Israeli government ahead of almost anything else domestically or internationally.

 

[efcfanwirral]

TBF Israel / Palestine is one of those canary in a coal mine issues and people are absolutely right to use it amongst all the other factors that determine their vote.

I mean, one of the main reasons the system is broken is precisely because of the corrupting nature of lobbies, rewards and political preference associated with that. There’s no greater example of this in the U.K. than the pro-Israeli lobby, which has for decades sought successfully to put the concerns of the Israeli government ahead of almost anything else domestically or internationally.

I agree, though it'd be a lot better if people thought of it like that. Guarantee the vast majority don't go anywhere near that deep level of thought on the issue, its just a potential side effect.

Though on all that, if Labour go against Israel things will be very difficult for them, so I doubt things will change in that regard as much as people want it to

 

[tsubaki]

I agree, though it'd be a lot better if people thought of it like that. Guarantee the vast majority don't go anywhere near that deep level of thought on the issue, its just a potential side effect.

Though on all that, if Labour go against Israel things will be very difficult for them, so I doubt things will change in that regard as much as people want it to

That last bit especially, though it’s not just Labour - if Sunak did what Thatcher did in terms of standing up for the international legal system we sacrificed so much to build, he’d have been smashed.

 

[Eggs]

….police taking no further action against Angela Raynor might be a discussion point tomorrow given the Conservative, James Daly reported her.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Or we could just be familiar with these people, their activities and history.

Hi mate, have you heard of the tory party?

Nothing would make me happier than for Labour to come into power and do what this country needs, to identify and deal with these urgent problems. I know that the people that form up a good chunk of the leadership group are absolutely incapable of doing it, though.

I think it is fair to say that we have two choices for government. The tory's or Labour. Take votes away from either and reduces their chances of success. Pipe dreams aside that is the choice the country faces.

I get that some people are clearly still very upset that Corbyn got annihilated but its done. If someone is of the mind that they'd like to see Starmer get a serious beating from Sunak then I'd question their ability to make rational choice. We face a world of challenges but right now the biggest is making sure that of the two parties in the race that the Tory's are not the victors in six weeks time. As let's be honest, as much as I'd like to see the tory's dismantled the GE is probably going to be a lot closer than the polls suggest.

Also, you do not know, you might be of the opinion but that is all it is.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Pretty much what the other side of the party was doing in 2017 and 2019

Oh well, lets focus on that and not getting the tory's out then.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Rita_Poon]

Not the only shots he's had today.

 

[orchard]

Yes, the long awaited Green surge...

 

[Rita_Poon]

The green shoots of change*

 

[summerisle]

 

[davek]

Why are those on the Left leaving the party in such huge numbers, when such a disastrous PM, as you say Starmer surely will be, should be a doddle to challenge and topple?

I think you need to give those on the Left a bit more credit, we're not all so cowardly as the ones who have fled already. For some of them though, it seems that their main political aim is to be perpetually in opposition, and insist that they have the right answers whilst desparately making sure they never to prove it.

Because the ability for the left to challenge has been tightened up since Starmer got in as leader and the NEC has been captured lock st=ock and barrel by the right wing of the party.

There's now no chance whatsoever of another Corbyn type leadership. None.