Training Questioned

[charlielevy]

In a Daily mail article a few years back, Rooney stated that the training was so intense that by Saturday he was too tired to play......... His training methods I hear are brutal and too intense. He does not cut the players a little slack

Does Moyes lacks the man management skills to handle individual players. Did not Moyes send all of his players back home when a training session was not up to his standards a year or two ago. 9 years is a long time as manager. He had a great chance of winning the FA cup against Chelsea but his lack of tactics, ie letting Hibbert get burnt with no cover on that wing. Chelsea exploited the weakness and howard letting slip a ball though his hands suggest. Fellaini's father questioned his son fitness after the injury............. Now Arteta... Football is strenuous on the body and two matches a week plus hard training is going to damage the players. The healing time is when the body rests.

 

[Muggins]

Welcome mate.

 

[Styles P Deadball]

Well, there could be something to that. Either they're burnt training on Tuesdays or the medical staff/ strength and conditioning work is utter crap. With a pinchpenny organization like Everton, I could see them cutting corners there and blaming it all on bad luck when guys consistently break down.

We've seen a big step forward in the USA in that respect in the last couple decades. NFL teams rarely hit during practice anymore because thirty year old guys don't handle that too well. I've seen my own university hire a top-notch strength and conditioning coach and the injuries in all sports dropped off to nothing in the last two years.

Does anyone have any insight on Everton's training regimen, conditioning practices, or medical staff?

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

It's just not good enough !!
It's just not good enough !!

 

[heatmeiser]

It would be interesting to see our training regime along with that of all the others in the league. I reckon our players spend all day jogging on the spot while Moyes screams at them nose to nose and ROUNDY stands in the background ticking off boxes on his clipboard.

 

[Brownie]

It would be interesting to see our training regime along with that of all the others in the league. I reckon our players spend all day jogging on the spot while Moyes screams at them nose to nose and ROUNDY stands in the background ticking off boxes on his clipboard.

STEVEN ROUND

 

[efcforever]

Our training has to be questioned. Its been the same story all season. Having loads of posession against the teams we should be beating. Conceeding a soft goal and then having no idea how to break them down. Our tactics clearly aren't effective against the so caller lesser teams so it has to be questioned as to what on earth happens in training.

I remember someone on here earlier in the season mentioning something about repeating the same actions and expecting different results, well that is what we appear to be doing.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Seem to be afraid to shoot...how many times this season have I screamed SHOOT,???? I would love to have a quid for each time...IF so I would be typing this from my carribean island.

 

[Summerskin]

I reckon Hibbert just has a notepad with one page that reads: "Bom on".

 

[Styles P Deadball]

Well, tactics are one thing, and people are always going to find fault with that when they don't work. I'm more concerned with the injury situation. Do we train harder and longer than the rest of the EPL? Are guys who get bumps and bruises encouraged to get treated or are they told to "rub some dirt on it" and toughen up? It's obvious Moyes thinks we lack depth and plays basically the same rotation every game, but when these guys beak down year after year, we have to question why that's happening, independent of the results.

Even if Fellaini, for instance, becomes a selling opportunity, his price will be lower because he'll have the injury-prone tag on him. I'd hate to find out that we settled for less and sell him, then he spends the next 10 years as a quality player in Italy or Germany with few injuries because Everton was using outdated recuperation and training techniques.

These guys are worth a ****-ton of money to the club. They need to be protected as much as possible. They wouldn't have gotten to the EPL without toughness and sacrifice. There's no need to pull the blood and guts routine.

 

[zed]

something stinks thats for sure. we have had unbelievable injuries year in year out so it cant all be down to bad luck. sort it moyles

 

[NelsForBlues]

This may not be a popular sentiment, but I tend to question the players when they repeatedly get injured with certain injuries: for example, muscle pulls, hamstring injuries, quad...repeatedly. To me that points to improper training on a personal level. Players who are in shape, who train maximum, who are in tune with their bodies, who eat right, who lift proper weights, who do yoga and pilates (absolutely great for fine-tuning their bodies), who get deep tissue massages, do not repeatedly come down with those types of injuries. There's only so much coaches/trainers can do; it's also up to the players to seek out the best things to do for their bodies.

 

[Matt Damon]

Robin Van Persie has barely played in three years.

Jimmy Bullard's knee's kept him out for longer.


Yet no one's been questioning Wenger or Hodgson's training methods.


You one's thinking that injuries will never happen in a sport like football need to get real.

Its a high impact sport with lots of running, jumping and turning. In order to play it you need to be fit. And you can get injured playing it.

You can't wrap players in cotton wool. Equally you don't flog players to death.


Moyes does neither. He manages players as best as anyone could.

For one thing he doesn't routinely use injections to make players play like they did 5 or so years ago. He attends plenty of conferences and speaks to many coaches.

Its just the one's doing the criticising haven't a clue what they're talking about.


Those whining about injuries would take the challenge of football out of the sport. Its not meant to be easy. Otherwise people wouldn't play or watch it.

 

[billycopper]

I agree that our training methods don't appear to be getting the best out of the players. When you watch a game it's very difficult to pinpoint anything that's been worked on at Finch Farm. To compare to other teams, Wolves flicked a freekick up and then volleyed it into the goal, United craftily took a corner when it looked like Rooney was just placing the ball and Stoke position men in the box to take advantage of Delap's throw ins. I can only think of one goal from a corner this season. Why haven't we come up with a routine that makes someone like Distin as potent for us as Koscielny?

At the other end, you could see what Rafael was trying to do with his zonal marking system. Why aren't we as organised and well drilled?

As far as fitness goes, it wouldn't surprise me if the players were over-trained. We tend to start brightly but run out of steam at about the 70 minute mark. That would certainly fit. I think that we tend to pick up so many injuries because we're over-playing a small squad. I think I read that Moyes has used just 20 players this season, which is the least in the Premiership.

It amazes me that Moyes bleats on about lack of quality and bad luck, but he doesn't address the things that are within his power. If training is so regimented and monotonous, it's highly likely that the players have switched off mentally and that's why we're seeing so many sloppy, lacklustre performances.

 

[Matt Damon]

I agree that our training methods don't appear to be getting the best out of the players. When you watch a game it's very difficult to pinpoint anything that's been worked on at Finch Farm. To compare to other teams, Wolves flicked a freekick up and then volleyed it into the goal, United craftily took a corner when it looked like Rooney was just placing the ball and Stoke position men in the box to take advantage of Delap's throw ins. I can only think of one goal from a corner this season. Why haven't we come up with a routine that makes someone like Distin as potent for us as Koscielny?

At the other end, you could see what Rafael was trying to do with his zonal marking system. Why aren't we as organised and well drilled?

As far as fitness goes, it wouldn't surprise me if the players were over-trained. We tend to start brightly but run out of steam at about the 70 minute mark. That would certainly fit. I think that we tend to pick up so many injuries because we're over-playing a small squad. I think I read that Moyes has used just 20 players this season, which is the least in the Premiership.

It amazes me that Moyes bleats on about lack of quality and bad luck, but he doesn't address the things that are within his power. If training is so regimented and monotonous, it's highly likely that the players have switched off mentally and that's why we're seeing so many sloppy, lacklustre performances.

Sorry. I'm laughing my head off here.

Check who's scored the most goals in the second half of a game this season and particularly in the last 10 minutes. That suggests superior fitness and training.

If we aren't the one who's top, then we're probably 2nds or 3rd in the list.


Unbelievable.

You're also confusing FITNESS , INJURIES and organisation and setpieces.