Today’s Football 2020/21 Season

[JobForTheMoyes]

Well they obviously don’t haha. Like I say, someone has found this offensive, a game has been stopped, the tape is out there, it’s still not been restarted, something will come out of it.

Whether you agree with it or not ultimately doesn’t matter because you’re not involved in the incident.

All true. But how boring would a forum be if nobody commented on incidents lol

 

[Nymzee]

Taking the knee is explicitly stated as supporting BLM

BLM as an ideology and social movement is a good cause.

BLM riots not so much.

 

[Tubey]

Its a very slippery slope though. It seems rather culturally imperialist to punish a foreign national for using his own language. If the chap was the only black coach in the team's staff, and so he used this rather obvious descriptor to point him out then I just do not see how he is being racist. Mentioning someone's colour per se cannot (or at least should not) be racist, unless you believe certain shades of colour are bad in their own right.

Don't think it's his language, I think that's a by-product of the situation.

It'd be nice to live in a world where we could use that obvious difference as a descriptor with no further context, but the climate we're living in is about black people being treated differently due to their skin colour.

So when you have an official use skin colour as a primary identifier, it's problematic.

Blown out of proportion of course but it's not a groundless complaint IMO. The official, if not racist, is certainly thick.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

Would it be acceptable for you to refer to someone at work as "the black guy"?

If it is whatever, it wouldn't be for me.

If he were the guy who was black, why would it be offensive. It's like those Question Time episodes where the host is too scared to describe the person he is trying pick on to ask a question : "yes, you, the person, the person over there, the person in clothes, you in the audience".
I have my mates round from time to time, and I'll reference them, but of course my family don't know who each of them is verbatim, so when they ask 'who's that one again', and I say the 'mixed raced girl', is that racist? Or should I go "ah yes, the person, the person who came to the house, the person who I'm friends with, the person who worse some clothes?

 

[Nymzee]

If he were the guy who was black, why would it be offensive. It's like those Question Time episodes where the host is too scared to describe the person he is trying pick on to ask a question : "yes, you, the person, the person over there, the person in clothes, you in the audience".
I have my mates round from time to time, and I'll reference them, but of course my family don't know who each of them is verbatim, so when they ask 'who's that one again', and I say the 'mixed raced girl', is that racist? Or should I go "ah yes, the person, the person who came to the house, the person who I'm friends with, the person who worse some clothes?

There are more ways to describe someone than their skin colour I think is the point. “Oh, the brunette girl?”

 

[kenada_blue]

Thing is mate, while I agree for you about context being important and the Romanians/Bulgarians of this world not being generally what you'd call, err... "progressive" on race, the guy has a job which involves going to other countries and refereeing different races and nationalities.

If he's that clueless that he can't understand identifying someone via skin colour in this climate is going to be seen as offensive, then he should be sacked for just being thick if nothing else.

I do get your point - you aren't convinced it was deliberate racism. Neither am I. But it's still racism, even if subsconscious, as the first identifier he's gone for is skin colour.

But if we're getting into a world of language and how people chose words, surely the context means everything?

Being racist is defined as undermining or discriminating another person based on their race or ethnic group.

If that's happened...then throw the book at him.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

BLM as an ideology and social movement is a good cause.

BLM riots not so much.

BLM is an organisation, one that is soon to be a political party in the UK. They have a manifesto, founders, and aims. Taking the knee is explicitly in support of them. And it is explicitly stated that it's for them. Of course black lives matter, as does each and every life, but Black Lives Matter... that's a different story.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Don't think it's his language, I think that's a by-product of the situation.

It'd be nice to live in a world where we could use that obvious difference as a descriptor with no further context, but the climate we're living in is about black people being treated differently due to their skin colour.

So when you have an official use skin colour as a primary identifier, it's problematic.

Blown out of proportion of course but it's not a groundless complaint IMO. The official, if not racist, is certainly thick.

From the footage it seems clear to me the coach misheard/midunderstood what the official said. He kept shouting, "who is the negro, who is the n*****r?'

Basically the official doesn't know the coach's name, so refers to him as what would probably be 'the black guy' in English. The coach doesn't know Romanian, so thinks he is saying else.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

There are more ways to describe someone than their skin colour I think is the point. “Oh, the brunette girl?”

To which they would respond "which one?"

 

[Nymzee]

BLM is an organisation, one that is soon to be a political party in the UK. They have a manifesto, founders, and aims. Taking the knee is explicitly in support of them. And it is explicitly stated that it's for them. Of course black lives matter, as does each and every life, but Black Lives Matter... that's a different story.

I understand BLM is an organisation but at the heart of said organisation is an ideology and a social movement. Obviously. Otherwise it would just be some sort of gang.

 

[tsubaki]

The Full thing for any that didnt see it
Game now tomorrow at 6pm

TBF that isn't the full thing - its missing the vital bit, which is what he said to (or possibly about) Webo to begin with.

 

[tsubaki]

BLM is an organisation, one that is soon to be a political party in the UK. They have a manifesto, founders, and aims. Taking the knee is explicitly in support of them. And it is explicitly stated that it's for them. Of course black lives matter, as does each and every life, but Black Lives Matter... that's a different story.

A whole lot of wrong in this post.

 

[Nymzee]

To which they would respond "which one?"

The question in your story should more be does your mixed race friend mind being described solely as “my mixed race friend” to your mum.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

I understand BLM is an organisation but at the heart of said organisation is an ideology and a social movement. Obviously. Otherwise it would just be some sort of gang.

Until they stop explicitly saying that it is in support of BLM, I will assume that it's in support of BLM. At the heart of the organisation (again, this is explicitly stated) is the overthrow of western society.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

A whole lot of wrong in this post.

Please tell me what's incorrect here?