To cheat or not to cheat?

[Kurt.]

I hate cheats. Simple.

 

[chicoazul]

I don't agree.

There has been plenty of gamesmanship at Goodison over the years, and I don't remember there being much uproar about it. I have never heard anyone have any misgivings over Anders Limpar's dive against Wimbledon in 1994. Nobody gave a ****. Nobody was arsed about the fact that Bolton had a perfectly good goal disallowed at the Reebok in 1998 either. Our players weren't like "No ref, it went in, award them the goal as it crossed the line". There will have been plenty of other examples that I can't remember as well.

All this rainbow warrior stuff is a combination of Moyes' indoctrinating Evertonians with his bible bashing ethos, a defence mechanism for not being successful, and wanting to disassociate ourselves with the RS' successful implementation of gamesmanship over the years.

I disagree vehemently.

 

[Dymak]

I disagree vehemently.

Well then you would have rather seen Limpar booked and us go in 2-0 down at half time against Wimbledon in 1994 then.

Some Evertonians can massage their own ego with rainbow warrior defence mechanisms, but nobody else in the league will give a toss. I heard Sharpy saying the other week that Kendal used to tell his players to put pressure on the referee, and quite rightly too. Rainbow warriors finish last.

 

[Shaun4658]

Pienaar does go down easy some times.
It doesn't feel right to me, our players diving.
On the other hand sometimes I think we're just too f*ckin nice.

True mate. It can be very frustrating. At least Pienaar doesn't seem to make it a regular thing.

 

[mrs the esk]

I can't abide cheats of any kind.

Yes perhaps you can "win" by cheating but when the cheat goes home at night in the back of his/her mind they know they have not won really.

Winning through cheating is a hollow victory, to be able to maintain the qualities of honesty and integrity though is far more valuable than any acclaim from a victory brought about through cheating...

 

[chicoazul]

Well then you would have rather seen Limpar booked and us go in 2-0 down at half time against Wimbledon in 1994 then.

Some Evertonians can massage their own ego with rainbow warrior defence mechanisms, but nobody else in the league will give a toss. I heard Sharpy saying the other week that Kendal used to tell his players to put pressure on the referee, and quite rightly too. Rainbow warriors finish last.

I can't disagree more.

 

[Goat]

Well then you would have rather seen Limpar booked and us go in 2-0 down at half time against Wimbledon in 1994 then.

Some Evertonians can massage their own ego with rainbow warrior defence mechanisms, but nobody else in the league will give a toss. I heard Sharpy saying the other week that Kendal used to tell his players to put pressure on the referee, and quite rightly too. Rainbow warriors finish last.

So your saying we accept it based on 1 player diving almost 20 years ago?

Are you a bit insane mate?

 

[mrs the esk]

Chico, why did you call me mate in your rep comment? Do you call all the girls "mate", you smoothie

xx

 

[Chang Elephant]

Winning through cheating is a hollow victory, to be able to maintain the qualities of honesty and integrity though is far more valuable than any acclaim from a victory brought about through cheating...

That's applying your own principles though. The likes of Suarez has no honesty or integrity and lives in a moral sewer. He won't give a flying one about however he cons a victory, it won't be hollow.

 

[Dymak]

So your saying we accept it based on 1 player diving almost 20 years ago?

Are you a bit insane mate?

No, I'm making a point by asking what you would have preferred to happen in that game. Are you OK with the fact that Limpar cheated to keep us in the Premier League, or do you consider it a stain on the good name of Everton FC, and would have preferred that it did not happen? It's happened more than once in 20 years as well.

I'm also making the same point that dholiday made. That nobody else cares about whether we have a rainbow warrior ethos or not, it doesn't aid us in any way, it just means that we are at a disadvantage because the whole of world football has been at it for years.

 

[mrs the esk]

That's applying your own principles though. The likes of Suarez has no honesty or integrity and lives in a moral sewer. He won't give a flying one about however he cons a victory, it won't be hollow.

Then he's living a lie and should be pitied for it. Goodness know why though with his talent he could have integrity and acclaim instead of hollow victories and scorn.

 

[Goat]

No, I'm making a point by asking what you would have preferred to happen in that game. Are you OK with the fact that Limpar cheated to keep us in the Premier League, or do you consider it a stain on the good name of Everton FC, and would have preferred that it did not happen? It's happened more than once in 20 years as well.

I'm also making the same point that dholiday made. That nobody else cares about whether we have a rainbow warrior ethos or not, it doesn't aid you in any way, it just means that you are at a disadvantage because the whole of world football has been at it for years.

I would have rather he didnt dive, if that meant we got relegated, then so be it.

And whats with using the phrase rainbow warrior? It sounds a bit kopite to me.

 

[mrs the esk]

Lovely answer Chico xx Mate!

 

[Baines' left foot]

I can't abide cheats of any kind.

Yes perhaps you can "win" by cheating but when the cheat goes home at night in the back of his/her mind they know they have not won really.

Winning through cheating is a hollow victory, to be able to maintain the qualities of honesty and integrity though is far more valuable than any acclaim from a victory brought about through cheating...

Completely agree with this.

 

[chicoazul]