Tim Cahill

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Eggs said:
....I have no idea about his quality as a coach but there’s already too much nepotism in employing past players as coaches. Hopefully, Brands takes us away from that strategy.

Nothing against Cahill, but he’s a superstar in the Southern Hemisphere and I doubt he’d give that up to coach our U16s.
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Is it not something thats done a lot in Dutch football with PSV and Ajax?

I don’t have a problem with it providing they are good coaches.

Is it not better to employ qualified people who have an affinity with the club who can then pass that on to the younger players coming though.

Many of the coaches mentioned may not be former greats who have won titles but there’s countless examples of coaches who weren’t good players and vice versa.
 
Bob Latchford said:
Is it not something thats done a lot in Dutch football with PSV and Ajax?

I don’t have a problem with it providing they are good coaches.

Is it not better to employ qualified people who have an affinity with the club who can then pass that on to the younger players coming though.

Many of the coaches mentioned may not be former greats who have won titles but there’s countless examples of coaches who weren’t good players and vice versa.
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...as long as they are employed first and foremost because they are outstanding coaches, but I do think we have too many ex-players on our staff, particularly at youth level.

I remember listening to one of our Academy coaches continually shouting at defenders to ‘just get rid’ when they won possession. It was a bit embarrassing.
 
Eggs said:
...as long as they are employed first and foremost because they are outstanding coaches, but I do think we have too many ex-players on our staff, particularly at youth level.

I remember listening to one of our Academy coaches continually shouting at defenders to ‘just get rid’ when they won possession. It was a bit embarrassing.
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At youth level it’s fine, and I mean that.

Look at the likes of Jeffers who we threw an olive branch to. Jeffers is the perfect person to have at youth level telling the kids at an early stage what an amazing club we are to play for.

Youth wise, we’ve always excelled in my opinion, and that’s why we’re so successful.

It’s first team I’d swerve any player of the last 20 years being near. Cahill had a sensational attitude, but same with Jagielka etc, they don’t have that winners mentality, which was definitely coached out of them with the “knives to a gunfight” BS.

Cahill was a cracking player, but just because he was a cracking player, doesn’t mean he’ll he a cracking coach.
 
barneygumble said:
At youth level it’s fine, and I mean that.

Look at the likes of Jeffers who we threw an olive branch to. Jeffers is the perfect person to have at youth level telling the kids at an early stage what an amazing club we are to play for.

Youth wise, we’ve always excelled in my opinion, and that’s why we’re so successful.

It’s first team I’d swerve any player of the last 20 years being near. Cahill had a sensational attitude, but same with Jagielka etc, they don’t have that winners mentality, which was definitely coached out of them with the “knives to a gunfight” BS.

Cahill was a cracking player, but just because he was a cracking player, doesn’t mean he’ll he a cracking coach.
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....I think it’s a balance, though, Barney. We have a successful U23 team based on the collective team spirit and togetherness you highlight but surely it’s more about developing individual ability and improving them technically. The litmus for me is the FA Youth Cup, the winners often have a star or two and we haven’t reached the latter stages for a long time.

Many years ago I stood on the touchline at Bellfield watching a very young Ryan Giggs play for Manchester United in a Lancashire League game. Alex Ferguson was in attendance, every time Giggs got the ball Ferguson said “take him on son, enjoy yourself. Go on, take him on”. The contrast with our coaches was stark.
 
Eggs said:
....I think it’s a balance, though, Barney. We have a successful U23 team based on the collective team spirit and togetherness you highlight but surely it’s more about developing individual ability and improving them technically. The litmus for me is the FA Youth Cup, the winners often have a star or two and we haven’t reached the latter stages for a long time.

Many years ago I stood on the touchline at Bellfield watching a very young Ryan Giggs play for Manchester United in a Lancashire League game. Alex Ferguson was in attendance, every time Giggs got the ball Ferguson said “take him on son, enjoy yourself. Go on, take him on”. The contrast with our coaches was stark.
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I think that’s the difference between being bred with the arrogance of winners and losers.
My big gripe with Moyes was he was happy to be a “loser”, and it reflected in the players in the big occasions.
Perhaps you’re right, intact I don’t disagree with you whatsoever, I actually agree. It’s not a begging bowl for any ex blue looking to step up, but I personally have no problem with us hiring ex-players provided they’re doing a quality job. The reason I’ve highlighted Jeffers is because he’s worked along side Unsworth, and they’ve done wonders, and he’s actively been very vocal about the club, and I think that’s important on keeping them grounded (I know they are kids, but if football is their life, then yourbig names are your idols).

I look at the u18s and they narrowly missed winning the league, the u23 won trophies, I think finally were starting to turn a corner and the youth teams are embracing the winning mentality. Add a positive Goodison and give it a few years, I genuinely believe we’ll start churning out more and more quality players who are the next level up to Davies and Kenny!
 
Without any contest, my favourite Everton player. I still reckon he could have gone another year or two with us, but I suppose you only have to look at the reaction in here to know that he probably pitched his departure perfectly and didn't overstay in the eyes of fans. What a header of the ball, and his sheer desire would shame many of the players we have had since.
 
Cahill scored goals from midfield - quite a few against the other crowd, he was a good player who gave his all but but he wasn’t a great player. I think the fact he’s held in such high regard by some reflects how poor we’ve been over the last 25 - 30 years and how low the barometer is amongst younger fans to be considered great! Quite sad really.
 
summerisle said:
Retiring ; I'd have him back in less than a jiffy.


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He was quite simply good enough to have won titles etc. His team were not (quite) He was loyal and there we have it. That he played for us he saw as an honour. I hope the club do as well.
 
summerisle said:
He was a better player than all of them, with considerable international experience, albeit with Australia. Now of course, history is littered with ex players who were failures when going into the coaching/management side of football. I just think he's a good thinker of the game, erudite, has the will to win (something sadly lacking at the club) and would be an asset in some capacity.
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Dont know but he was fantastic.
 
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