The Spurs situation and Everton

[JobForTheMoyes]

If the current Iran crisis sends oil soaring and causes a recession football could really unwind in a nasty way.

 

[Groucho]

Or so leniently treated, remember the outcry on sky tv, Neville, Carragher and Co "you can't hurt the fans !" . No but you can hurt everyone else's fans outside the sly 6 though..

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Sky perform to keep them in the “big 6” when they go down

 

[mahermi1]

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Sky perform to keep them in the “big 6” when they go down

That will be fun..

 

[JLW]

I look forward to the mental gymnastics Sky perform to keep them in the “big 6” when they go down

They will promote Villa into it to keep there self acclaimed cliche alive.

 

[matty1878]

I'm not saying they have done it, I'm just saying bad things happen to clubs that's all.

I know what you mean but I’d like to think TFG know what therye doing

 

[bobbylatch]

There’s a few things Spurs should really be doing right now to stave off relegation, some the tips from our recent past they should be trying are;

1. A whodunit type episode where a CEO or other senior board member is allegedly put in a headlock by a fan.
2. A German Shepard needs to be held aloft and carried round the ground through a throng of fans before a home kick off.
3. Someone needs to get in Patrick Vieira’s grid the stick there fingers rar up at him.

If they start with that, they should start to pull away from the bottom 3 in no time.

There is little doubt that conjuring up the spirit of Anubis.
The Ancient Eqyptian jackal/dog headed God, guaranteed our survival.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Everton need to take note that this is happening for Spurs.

Do we think that new stadium of ours and its environs would be conducive to generating the type of communal response to save the club's bacon again?

A soul-less anodyne environment like that? A stadium with zero reference apart from badges 50 foot off the ground on the corners of the east and west stands to the team that play in it? A stadium claimed by rugby league and union?

A valid point but you over egged it. The only comparable point with us and Spurs is new stadiums. In our darkest days we had blue smoke and feral crowds. We knew it was existential. Spurs are either in denial or saying relegation is a good thing to force Board changes. It’s like watching your house on fire and thinking the leaky tap is sorted now.

 

[Groucho]

They will promote Villa into it to keep there self acclaimed cliche alive.

Of course. Anything to not mention us.

 

[knowing your history]

Quite nice someone put this thread up.

I said to a mate weeks back Spurs are pretty much having the exact same season this club had back in 21/22 (not just due to Richi sometimes appearing upfront for them) so I'm not shocked at all they are this close to relegation now.

I know they finished 17th last season but that should've been anomaly finish for them like Man. United. If you discount that they had similar stable top half finishes to here.

The Frank appointment wasn't as toxic as FSW but basically their season has followed the same pattern. Lots of wins and draws up to November although performances not really matching up on the whole. Then a harder run of games through winter and barely winning any of them and dropping right down into bottom 6/7.

Sack poor manager and then the replacement dosen't really get a bounce. From what I remember Lampard won 3-0 against Leeds and then had quite a few losses after that?

Last night for them was the equivalent game of losing 3-1 at home to Fulham (although that was in 22/23).

Also there is real leadership void now in terms of decisions. They should've sacked Frank after losing to West Ham in mid January. Also if Levy had remained there he'd have kept Brennan Johnson until final day of the window.

They probably need to ditch Tudor already just to get a Dyche type in for last 8-9 games as I can barely see them winning a game with the state they're in.

Dyche was at least smart enough to grind out some away draws and find a win and then could manage a couple of critical 1-0s at Goodison, same for Lampard in 21/22.

I don't think in terms of set up or indeed atmosphere Spurs can win those type of home games in the run in, they've won two all season!

Pretty hilarious if they go down which I think is a very real prospect with all the revenue they generate from their cashcow stadium while this club was genuinely on its knees from 2021-24 and still clung on to prem status somehow.

Will be a very interesting final day.

 

[knowing your history]

Clear difference in the fanbase....

When we were in peril we came together and created an atmosphere that made it impossible for the players to let us down....

Their lot are leaving at half time.....


Barring local rivalries them and Newcastle are the teams I like to see struggle most....

Years of being held back because players preferred a safe move to London or a couple more quid in the bank seeing us miss out on targets that could have seen us push on made me pretty bitter towards them...


Would love to see them go down

I sort of agree and sort of disagree with that.

Newcastle and Fulham home performances in the run in in 22/23 were pretty poor and had large swathes of Goodison heading for the exit from 80th minute mark. What kept the team up that season was being very solid and hard to beat on the road for final three months. Picked up critical draws at Leicester, Wolves, Forest, Palace and then that completely random 1-5 at Brighton. When you're staying up by two points they all matter.

I really don't think Spurs have that resilience in them.

However where I agree is Goodison had that knack of egging the players on when 1-0 up with half an hour left. Little things like the ball going out of play and fans hanging onto it in the stands and it would take 30-40 seconds so away team rhythm is disrupted.

Think a game that summed the whole package up was Everton 1-0 Chelsea in May 2022. Would love to watch the full game of that if anyone knows of it lurking on YT or elsewhere as went into that game five points off Burnley and Leeds with games running out. Goodison at its very best that afternoon.

It's a different and very corporate atmosphere at Spurs now, will probably get similar creeping in at BMD in the coming years with more success so best not to get sucked in to any unnecessarily relegation battles to test out the theory.

 

[Groucho]

I sort of agree and sort of disagree with that.

Newcastle and Fulham home performances in the run in in 22/23 were pretty poor and had large swathes of Goodison heading for the exit from 80th minute mark. What kept the team up that season was being very solid and hard to beat on the road for final three months. Picked up critical draws at Leicester, Wolves, Forest, Palace and then that completely random 1-5 at Brighton. When you're staying up by two points they all matter.

I really don't think Spurs have that resilience in them.

However where I agree is Goodison had that knack of egging the players on when 1-0 up with half an hour left. Little things like the ball going out of play and fans hanging onto it in the stands and it would take 30-40 seconds so away team rhythm is disrupted.

Think a game that summed the whole package up was Everton 1-0 Chelsea in May 2022. Would love to watch the full game of that if anyone knows of it lurking on YT or elsewhere as went into that game five points off Burnley and Leeds with games running out. Goodison at its very best that afternoon.

It's a different and very corporate atmosphere at Spurs now, will probably get similar creeping in at BMD in the coming years with more success so best not to get sucked in to any unnecessarily relegation battles to test out the theory.

Why concentrate on relegation battles?

Why not look to win things?

 

[Leylo]

They need to put the anger against the knobs running the club like we did and put it on the back burner and drag the club through it we did but don't think their supporters have the Scouse take no [Poor language removed] this is our club attitude.

 

[Rob17896]

regarding the fans leaving early, we can't talk, as fans leave our stadium now anytime after 75 minutes.

Yes we have also left at 45 minutes this season v Newcastle.

Our fans stepped up at Goodison when needed, at the Hill Dickinson I am not convinced yet the support is the same.

But that's just me

It is just true

 

[ValBlue]

Hope our owners are taking note on where negligence and arrogance in transfer markets can get you. Spurs have the best footie/event stadium in the world, and they’re now odds on to go down. Big stadium and revenue doesn’t automatically mean success. We’re finally moving on from our dark period…but it only takes one bad season to drag you back in. I think we’re fine like, but I hope this shows to our owners that nothing is a given in this league. What I don’t hope it does is make them operate as risk averse every time, because you do have to take risks here and there.

 

[knowing your history]

Spurs have been stagnant for years. Crap players, and managers for big sums because they are London. They had an opportunity to win the league, dropped thier arse, and Leicester won it. That opportunity won't come round again anytime soon. I think they'll scrape through and stay up. Hope Im wrong.

Forgot about that Burnley game. Horrible night. Leading twice through penalties on away ground (think both were VAR interventions) and still found a way to lose it in last 15 minutes.

Dyche said a memorable comment in post match presser about "this lot don't know how to win away" and he was right given how bad the away record was which is why it is easy to take for granted the regular away wins now.

Most incredible thing was bouncing back 70 hours later to beat Man. United. Again I don't see Spurs having it in them to win quickly if they lose to Forest or Leeds in the run in.