I know a few people who have traditionally voted Labour who also voted to leave the EU. Apart from agreeing with them on Brexit they are nowhere near the views of Johnson, Rees Mogg and Cash. I voted no in the AV referendum, in line with David Cameron. It didn't mean I thought he was a cracking guy who I thought would do well for the country.Yet you support Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Bill Cash. Or at least believe them.
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roydo
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Believe me when I say that I understand that Brexit isnt a party political divide. What I do struggle with is some natural opponents of the Tory far right ignoring everything else about them to blindly believe them on this one issue.
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Think you can still have voted to leave without subscribing to the hard right views of the 3 swivel eyed fruitcakes you mention.I myself may disagree with him about brexit but he is absolutely spot on with his remarks about Thatcher.Yet you support Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Bill Cash. Or at least believe them.
roydo
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I just dont get it. Sorry.
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I know a fair few socialists who would have voted leave in a heartbeat if Labour were in power. They chose to vote remain as a tory brexit (and that's exactly what voting leave gets you) is worse than remaining.
I can only speak with confidence about the lads I know. I was out with a couple of them on Tuesday night and neither of them believed anything that was coming out of the Conservative conference regarding spending plans etc. At the same time they want Johnson to get Brexit done. Neither of them want No Deal, by the way. One would accept it as a last resort, one would prefer a second referendum. The phrase "Politics makes strange bedfellows" springs to mind.
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Sounds like you were having the wrong debate. You should have asked them how much they were looking forward to the next 5 years of Johnson, Gove, Patel, Williamson et al.
It's an election, not a referendum.
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Yet you support Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Bill Cash. Or at least believe them.
You don't understand, do you, roydo...?
I don't support them.
I don't believe them.
I don't give a fiddlers about them...
roydo
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Yes you do.
Old Blue 2
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No I don't.
Oh, wonder of wonders.
Being a Mod gives one the ability to see into the mind of others and know exactly what they are thinking and what their trues views are. BOLLOCKS!!!
We were talking about Brexit, which I'm pretty sure was the result of a referendum not an election. I said earlier that none of us like the current mob who are in charge, including those who voted Leave. The 2 who voted Leave do feel genuinely conflicted about what to do in an election, if that ends up being the way to try to settle it. That's also true for many people who voted Remain - for those who traditionally vote Labour or Conservative.
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IMO: all the talk of switching votes is overhyped. Yes, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence RIGHT NOW that it will happen. Come the day of the election, people will vote tribally in the vast majority of cases.
roydo
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Being a mod is neither east or west. So you dont agree with Johnson Rees Mogg and Bill Cash re leaving the EU?
There was also a statistician earlier who has looked into what we were discussing earlier and said, even with the inflated (and lets be frank manipulated) polling leads seen for the Conservatives it will not translate into seats. They have looked below the original data and seem there is a lot of banking of votes in Conservative leave areas and precious little support in Con Remain or Labour Leave areas.
Thats the worry for Johnson in this, he piles up support in seats he doesn't need it, and ends up losing remain areas to Lab/Lib Dems who tend to cluster votes quite effectively.
I've reached the point where I haven't got a clue what will happen with any of it. I'd like to think that an election campaign would focus on things other than Brexit, but as things stand that seems unlikely. Johnson will want it to become effectively a re-run of the referendum and I think the a lot of the media will go along with that as it makes the whole thing a lot simpler for them. What happens with the Brexit party could be the key to the whole thing, but again this is tied into the whole Brexit debate and you are back to square one. The ideal thing for me would be to get some clarity on Brexit before an election is called and at least know what the viable options are, assuming we haven't crashed out with no deal by then.
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