The Moyes influence on Everton.

[boris]

Rough diamonds he was great at, spending the big money he did receive at times, not so much.

Who would you trust to spend the Stones money, Martinez or Moyes??

Bobby's transfers have also been excellent and he has built up his pot with good sales and an ability to attract players I believe wouldn't come here under Moyes.

 

[bluestevon]

I'm not a revisionist and i never wanted him or liked him from the start - i was wrong on that as we actually needed him to steasy us those first 5 years though, after that he is responsible for the mindset of a lot of our fans thinking 7th place is acceptable and the club punching above our weight.

Never for one minute did he understand the history of this club or 'get' us though.

Martinez ia still fighting to shake off the small plucky everton punching above our weight tag he left us with and actively fostered in the media to boost his own reputation

 

[Tubey]

He was what we needed at the right time but stayed four years more than he should have, and belittled us during that period then him his new position trying to buy our players.

He will be afforded a sound reception when he returns from time to time but great Everton managers win stuff and believe that Everton should be winning stuff, neither of which applied to him.

Exactly the bold bit for me. I'd say the last five years though personally.

He did very well in the first half of his stay here, then totally ruined any good will I had towards him with the second half. Everything he did, particularly the last two seasons, were all about safeguarding the Moyes reputation and playing up to the 'plucky little Everton' tag to convince the media he was doing a superb job here.

The bit I wish I could disagree with is the 'sound reception' bit - personally, I wouldn't boo him if he returned, but I wouldn't applaud. He deserves nothing of the sort in my opinion.

 

[Librarian]

Better than Smith and Walker, worse than Royle or Martinez

 

[bluestevon]

Exactly the bold bit for me. I'd say the last five years though personally.

He did very well in the first half of his stay here, then totally ruined any good will I had towards him with the second half. Everything he did, particularly the last two seasons, were all about safeguarding the Moyes reputation and playing up to the 'plucky little Everton' tag to convince the media he was doing a superb job here.

The bit I wish I could disagree with is the 'sound reception' bit - personally, I wouldn't boo him if he returned, but I wouldn't applaud. He deserves nothing of the sort in my opinion.

Echoes my own thoughts i posted earlier really mate, one thing i do wonder is if theirs a split in the way moyes is viewed between the younger fans and the ones who witnessed the 80's team (and earlier), my guess is their is.

 

[mkrudden]

Whilst I really liked Moyes, I much prefer a manager who sends his team out to actually keep the ball rather than asking the CBs to launch it forward at any opportunity.

 

[edge]

Did ok to start with,went stale and didnt have the winning mentality for the big games, Chelsea final, Rs semi being the worst examples.
Still not sure if Bobby is any better overall but at least he has a go at winning, he wouldn't have sat at Wembley watching Hibbert getting ripped and doing nothing to help him.
If kenwrlght stays around I wouldn't be surprised to see Moyes back at some stage.

 

[evilwebby]

He was the right man at the right time. The gradual decline in standards that was allowed to happen before him was a disgrace, and he stabilized that and then reversed that, even in the absence of money.
His move to Utd grossly highlighted his shortcomings, however - it was not something that was particularly important to us as a club at the beginning of his time in charge, but towards the end it became more and more so, and was something that as supporters we always made excuses for.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Moyes - right man at the right time.

Also:

Oh...and Martinez gets Everton 100% better than Moyes ever did.

100% this.

 

[alpha1]

After what happened for 99.9% of the 1990s I will always appreciate Moyes for making the 2000s more bearable to be an Everton fan.
Sure, we didn't win anything, but we also never really had to endure the threat of relegation and that was a big thing at that time.
Martinez has continued to push us forward to a certain extent but we still need to get our big club mojo back - starting with bagging some top quality players in the transfer windows.
Keeping the players we have is fine but we also need to add quality to existing quality to make us a force again.
Overall Moyes is a 6 or 7 out of 10 manager who would be better thought of if he won us something or didn't disrespect us when he left. That was shameful.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Whilst I really liked Moyes, I much prefer a manager who sends his team out to actually keep the ball rather than asking the CBs to launch it forward at any opportunity.

Ha ha complete revisionism. Yeah I remember Lescott just belting it long all the time and Ciry thinking 'we'll pay 26 mill for that', I also remember Baines just absolutely leathering long diagonals to all those massive forwards we had like McFadden Yakubu Osman so much so that everyone raved about Pienaar and Baines' chemistry and started calling him the best LB in the league. Pure football dinosaurs the lot of them. Felt sorry for Arteta Pienaar Fellaini Cahill, they all must have had rubbish careers here never seeing the ball because we just launched it over their heads at the first opportunity. Awful football, amazing that we made the top 5/6 quite s few times playing that sort of Sunday league stuff.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Did ok to start with,went stale and didnt have the winning mentality for the big games, Chelsea final, Rs semi being the worst examples.
Still not sure if Bobby is any better overall but at least he has a go at winning, he wouldn't have sat at Wembley watching Hibbert getting ripped and doing nothing to help him.
If kenwrlght stays around I wouldn't be surprised to see Moyes back at some stage.

Chelsea final? We were missing our three best players and got battered by by probably the best side in Europe at the time (one kick away from beating Guardiola's Barcelona in a game they dominated). But yeah sure Moyes 'bottled' it whatever.

 

[davek]

Hoof!

 

[Groucho]

Hoof!

To begin with yes, but towards his final few seasons we did play good football.

 

[davek]

To begin with yes, but towards his final few seasons we did play good football.

We played when he let them off the leash...which he did on a few occasions...then bottled it and had them in defensive set up again.

For me, the signature Moyes move at Everton was for the team to push up when the GK had the ball > work it to the halfway line > chip a long diagonal ball forward to the edge of the opposition box > feed off the second ball that Cahill/Fellaini provided.

It was dire stuff. The whole league knew what they had to do most of the time: ship balls out of the box/edge of the box. Pienaar/Baines was just about the sum total of our commitment to football under him. A dire football coach, IMO.