The Moyes influence on Everton.

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Dario Terracotta said:
To me John stones in a way sums up moyesie,great signing and deal for the club,but would stones be anywhere near the first team under him or would he have been shipped out on loan this season to a championship club?
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He might have been near the first team but he wouldn't anywhere near as good as he is now, nothing is more certain than that. Stones is allowed to be as good as he can be because Martinez allows him to play without pressure and not worry about making the odd mistake. No chance he'd get that with Moysie.
 
meagher94 said:
He might have been near the first team but he wouldn't anywhere near as good as he is now, nothing is more certain than that. Stones is allowed to be as good as he can be because Martinez allows him to play without pressure and not worry about making the odd mistake. No chance he'd get that with Moysie.
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As with Barkley, he'd make one mistake and be loaned out somewhere for at least half a season...
 
Moyes did a lot of good things for the club and was the right man for the job. End of the day though is he's a bottler that plays bottling tactics. His faults were magnified at United. He was never going to take us forward. We all know he did well in the market for the most part and some of his players are still in the team. Martinez himself in his first season was in constant praise at the level of talent he had at his disposal.

That said, the three loans in Martinez's first season immediately showed me intent (and savvy for a club on a budget)...well two of them anyway. I thought the Barry loan was a waste...I was wrong. But Lukaku and Deulofeu were names that I don't think Moyes would have ever considered. Barry maybe. The biggest thing that Martinez gave me in that first season was hope...something that was painfully absent in the Moyes era. Even making the Cup final the only hope was that 'I hope we don't bottle this'...and we did. When we won 8 on the bounce, it was well and truly on that we might actually break into Sky 4 land....sadly it fizzled out, but I don't think it was down to bottling, but rather down to the size of the roster.

I believe that Moyes did stabilize the club and was exactly what the doctor ordered. That said, he was never going to take us forward. Last season was a rough one for us, but I think a perfect storm of circumstances were in play. We were in Europe with a squad that was injured all over the show. Rom had a huge transfer fee on his back, Barkley was being touted as the next Gazza, and our manager had never handled a European campaign. He stabilized the rot though, and we did make it to the quarterfinals of Europe. Something we hadn't done in 7 years.

TL;DR I know. His behavior after he left also leaves quite a bad taste in my mouth.
 
ilikecheese said:
Oh...and Martinez gets Everton 100% better than Moyes ever did.
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Snap! Echo what everyone says about Everton's debt to him for keeping us up on a shoestring and very shrewd purchases. Huge debt of gratitude. But hopefully he won't be a manager that enters Everton lore (Right? No one wants his record to be a future benchmark surely?). And I never felt he got the club. Perhaps he was a realist, but all those who love Everton don't want realism and don't deserve it. Martinez has really tried to recreate a bit of mystique about the club, a sense of its history. Think this works and gives supporters and players a language to describe their commitment. Moyes' dubbed us "the people's club," but his PR forays after that were all about lowering expectations (as others have noted)
 
orly said:
Most talented youngster in the squad (purchased) = Stones
Back Four = All Moyes buys
Barkley debut = Moyes
Most talented player in the squad = Mirallas

SNIFF IT MOYES HATERS
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Stones - Martinez was close to signing him before Everton came in
Back Four- Of course they are all Moye's buys, Martinez has been here 2 years. What reason would he have to remove good players?
Barkley Debut - Made a mistake, didn't see him for months. Sent on loan to clubs he hardly got a game at. Comes back, makes another mistake, back into the Under 21's.
 
Why do we even care, it's old news now.

Cheers Davey you left us little ones, took a pasting from us in return and lost your new job. Karma is a bitch.

What I will say is in the transfer market he was very good at picking up and polishing rough diamonds.
 
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