The Long Dark - Thirty Years of Hurt

The club has a losing, just-happy-to-be-liked mentality and it's been this way for decades. It was instilled by Kenwright, embraced by Moyes (then and now), adopted by many supporters and undoubtedly seeps into most players and the staff. It has dragged down numerous managers who meant well for all their own faults.

Will take a long time to remove, it if it's even possible at this point (we have to keep hope). Despite it all we've survived and hopefully have come through the other side now. Finally owned by people who seem sensible and determined to suceed. The rest has to take care of itself.

Bit harsh on Moyes. He built some decent sides on a shoestring budget. 2007 side was really good. As much as we can say he downplayed the club there is also a case to say Everton with absolutely no money could have easly slipped out of the top flight. I was at the Coventry and Wimbledon games. We had no money. Kendall had gone. And mike walker. We were staring into the Abyss.
Theres only so much you can point the finger at Moyes.
 
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By all means blame Kenwright, but I'm nearly 100% sure he didn't arrange the above nor orchestrate the round of applause when his face appeared on the big screen.

There are a sizeable number of happy clappers amongst the fan base who have helped to keep us down.
Yup, like East Germany under the Stasi. Plenty were happy with the status quo. Still are...
 
Bit harsh on Moyes. He built some decent sides on a shoestring budget. 2007 side was really good. As much as we can say he downplayed the club there is also a case to say Everton with absolutely no money could have easly slipped out of the top flight. I was at the Coventry and Wimbledon games. We had no money. Kendall had gone. And mike walker. We were staring into the Abyss.
Theres only so much you can point the finger at Moyes.

Moyes downplays all the time because it means there's less criticism that will come his way if we fall short. He's all about himself and always has been. As a manager his biggest strength has always been his ability to stabilise. The only thing keeping him a rung below the elite is that he simply can't ever win against better resourced sides.

He's exactly what we needed im the early 2000s and a year ago. I don't have any affinity towards him though, he's just a means to end the same way Dyche and Allardyce were.
 
Yup. Moyes was the best thing ever to happen to Kenwright. He became his shield. They had a symbiotic relationship, each one protecting the other. Kenwright was blessed to have Moyes. He was keen enough, hungry enough, and good enough to get the most out of close to nothing for a decade. Moyes was only exposed when he had turned "close to nothing" into "something" and couldn't drag that over the line in key cup games. But that took a decade - and that bought Kenwright all the time he needed. It's no surprise his fiefdom started to crumble when Moyes went. Even then he couldn't sever the bond when Moshiri came in - clearly under agreement that Blue Bill remained in situ.

Everything flows back to Kewnright. Until his acoloytes and the remaining vestiges of his influence are purged at this club, we will forever remain plucky underdogs seeking out good times.

If Kenwright hadn’t strung everyone along and lied about the Kings Dock, imagine where we’d be now as a club ?

That single thing alone, has held us back for decades ever since and that’s without getting onto him selling the club, to the only idiot who would keep him on the board.
 
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If we'd won the FA Cup final in 2009 would Kenwrights regime have been considered a success?
To that point, on the surface, without a doubt. We'd been the best of the rest for five years, seen off relegation fears, regularly played in Europe, and won a pot.

It was going almost swimmingly for Blue Bill to that point.

But that was in spite of Bill, not because of him. You know what I think of the Moyesiah. But even a critic has to acknowledge the superb job he did at Everton for most of his initial tenure. Moyes was the best thing ever to happen Kenwright. Thank you, Walter Smith.

And as pointed out above, behind the scenes Kenwright was lieing and scheming to the detriment of the club. Moyes - as long as he was and is here - was always an ephemeral presence. The Kings's Dock and NTL fiascos had more long-term significance to the true health of the club. And it was this venal custodianship that truly did for Everton's status in the game. And THAT was on Blue Bill. Moyes couldn't get him out of that hole.
 
The Moshiri years were the most damaging to the club IMO - when he took over we were in Europe a fair bit and place were the best young players could go and develop - there was a model in place even within the limits that Kenwright had. I never had an issue with Kenwright because he never promised to do anything more then he did in terms of investment and selling on and relatively speaking he and Moyes did the business in those limits over his time as owner.

The club became toxic under Moshiri, anything good was pulled down, costs increased beyond our means, the clubs reputation went into the toilet and the club almost went to the wall, via cozing up to the likes of 777, Textor etc and becoming the laughing joke of the footballing workd through points deductions.

The club now is recovery the impact of the Moshiri years is still damaging, last summer id say we got our 5th choice in a lot of positions - many still look at the club as at worse toxic and best beneath them. We have a job to do to still incrementally improve that.

The real damage was done long before Moshiri. The die was cast long before any of us had heard of him or Usmanov. Moyes papered over the failings and as soon as his team was dismantled the club fell apart.... Kenwright was still Chairman throughout. Without Moshiri, that debt would've sunk the club on its own. Kenwright had no choice by that point. Moyes had bailed him out for over 10yrs. Brown shoes couldn't repeat the trick beyond that first season. Yes, things then came to a further head when the club committed to the stadium debts, but let's face it the stadium was never going to happen under Kenwright's finances/management. What happened from then on only highlighted the gross incompetence and negligence of the missed Kings Dock opportunity. All under Kenwright's tenure.
 
Moyes downplays all the time because it means there's less criticism that will come his way if we fall short. He's all about himself and always has been. Very good PL manager despite his many flaws. I don't have any affinity towards him though, he's a means to end the same way Dyche and Allardyce were.

Im not sure about that. I think its just his dour negative nature. I noticed he was the same at other clubs.
What was the alternative. That we got every manager in who went to war with the Chairman? Kenwright was the issue.
Moyes is not the first manager in the world who's employed by a club with no huge funds to spend.
The rot had set in way before Moyes. If hes guilty of anything its protecting Kenwright.
 
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If we'd won the FA Cup final in 2009 would Kenwrights regime have been considered a success?
Not sure it does.

You only have to look at how Johnson is viewed despite having presided over a trophy win.

Then again, Kenwrights 'Success' was built on good PR so maybe that 1 trophy would have been enough for Monday nights game against City to be played in the Kenwright Arena.
 
I'd call that a complete lack of perspective tbh. A highly revisionist account, that seems to omit all of the key details. I wonder why?

Kenwright was already on the board, he essentially bought out Johnson with the help of his friends (some already on the board, some new to it), as he had nothing like the personal wealth to acquire those shares. Then, mysteriously, even though football was awash with (TV) money for the first time in decades, Everton were still somehow completely skint..... posting negative net spends for over a decade, and still accumulating more and more debt in the process. Other clubs were updating or moving stadium, and still managing to spend more on players than Everton FC (and not all had rich sugar-daddies). Fortunately for EFC, Moyes was able build decent sides on an absolute shoestring, but we had to sell our wonderkid just to survive. In fact, he essentially had to sell to buy throughout his tenure.

The Board's job was to manage the financials, provide funding for the manager and to maintain and enhance the club's infrastructure to allow the club to compete. In that whole time our net spend was amongst the lowest in the Premier league, and we spent comfortably the least on our stadium of practically every club in England. So the board completely failed in both of its key roles and responsibilities throughout.

Repeatedly, AGMs were full of questions about mysterious "other operating costs," as Kenwright failed to explain where the money was going.

Stadium Debacle No.1: To great fanfare, Kenwright anounced the Kings Dock, with ring-fenced finances for the club's meagre contribution, to a project largely funded by outside enabling developments on one of the city's prime locations. When the club failed to produce their funds, one of the board members offers to cover the cost to get this important project over the line, but in the ensuing power struggle, the opportunity of a life-time is completely squandered...... just so Kenwright could maintain his personal position. Next thing we know, the Greggs are paid off and "new friends" are acquired in the shape of Earl and a shy silent partner who can't be named, but we're told is a "great friend" of Everton Football Club. Subsequent AGMs fail to yield answers about the collapsed project, and it is just swept under the carpet as if it never happened. The lost opportunity cost of this sad episode is absolutely staggering and condemned our club to decline.

More seasons pass. Still the club haemorrhages money, and Moyes continues to paper over the cracks, shopping in the bargain basement, often selling on his best discoveries to keep buying and fielding a good side.... largely achieving decent league positions despite the board, and certainly not because of it.

Stadium debacle No.2. Out of nowhere, the monster known as Destination Kirkby raised its ugly head. Prompted by who? Perhaps the shy silent partner wants payback by way of a massive out-of-town retail development (that he cannot possibly have without a major enabling "community-led" development) to add to his portfolio of business shame. We all know what happened next.... all the lies and bluster were slowly stripped away, and then fully exposed by the public inquiry, and the "shed in the shopping park" disappeared without trace.... as did the "friends" who replaced "friends" on the board.

More years passed, more AGMs failed to explain ever increasing "more operating" costs. EGMs even come and go as frustrated shareholders try to demand answers..... for the first time in the club's history AGMs are cancelled as Kenwright is increasingly unable to fob the fans off. We even had to sell off training grounds and other property assets just to stay afloat..... while Moyes soldiered on, on the meagre crumbs he generated himself..... until he'd had his fill. Despite the obvious constraints over a very long period, he left the club with a very strong side. The new manager was afforded the luxury of being able to add a very strong forward to that team, and the team prospered. Unfortunately, it didn't last long, and within a couple of seasons, the downward spiral was already gathering pace. The finances were terminal, and there was no Moyes to build with a zero budget. The new training ground had to be sold back to the council and rented.

When Moshiri came in, the first thing he had to do was completely refinance the club, paying off multiple debts/loans, followed by phased capitalisation of ongoing debts of a club that was no longer sustainable. The club had been part of the big 5 and the prime driver for the Premier League in the early 90s. Just over 20yrs later, we had become make-weights in the most dilapidated stadium in the country. Miles behind most of our contemporaries by every metric (except in terms of history and loyalty and resolve of its fanbase).

Kenwright was the ONLY common denominator throughout the club's decline. While the club's debts and the board's impotence/incompetence grew over those years, he somehow managed to acrue a shareholding with a value that appeared to be multiples of his own external personal wealth. All while unaccountable "other operating costs" and associations/dirty dealings with Philip Green and other unsavoury characters went largely unexplained for decades. Were Everton just the best pension fund ever for a carpet bagging board..... who got away with it on the strength of warm platitudes about the boy's pen and Uncle Cyril's cross bar?
I didn't know about a lot if those things, however what I can say about Kenwright is that he always came across as a closet Kopite. Someone put it on here quite a few years ago, that's his favourite song was YMCA, which was mentioned in some book. He was quite happy to keep us as the plucky underdogs to RS. Hardly surprising it rubbed off on Moyes. Add to that older fans on here say Kenwrights tales of the boy's pen weren't true at all.
 

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