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[JimmyJeffers]

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They need to pull this statue down of Muhammad ASAP.

I am UP for this

 

[dead_soft]

Just reading about Heg and his anti slavery work prior to his military service. I’m sure the protesters will have a valid reason for doing it... Norwegian or something....

Curious what prompts you to take an interest in history, hey Pete?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

My question to the folks who are pulling things down that offend them.

Why are you destroying evidence?

Do you need a statue of Hitler as evidence of his crimes?

 

[SteveSC]

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They need to pull this statue down of Muhammad ASAP.

If you look closely she is doing a nazi salute. The torch is not unlike the tiki torches those lads had in Charlottesville a while back. After all she is their hero. Nazi hidden in plain site. Haha! (Sarcasm of course).

 

[Death]

If you look closely she is doing a nazi salute. The torch is not unlike the tiki torches those lads had in Charlottesville a while back. After all she is their hero. Nazi hidden in plain site. Haha! (Sarcasm of course).

Nazis, they destroyed 3 things I love, tiki torches, Liberty torches and Fanta. If find out Hitler liked to WUM Democrats. I might just have to kill myself.

 

[mezzrow]

Do you need a statue of Hitler as evidence of his crimes?

Not today. In four hundred years, perhaps. That is the entire point of statues. They are silly in a certain way, in the ways that religion was and is silly.
When living memory is dead, history consists of stories. Man. (gender neutral) His story. History.
I want to leave the statue up and tell the truth about the people that erected it. Did they do it out of joy or fear? Did they do it out of hate or love?
What made this person so different they carved his/her image into stone and put it in the public square?
Iconoclasm is many things, but one thing it is not is nuanced. Iconoclasm kills history and makes it pliable in the hands of the cynical and sinister.

"but it was done for the best of reasons..."

 

[degsy]

Not today. In four hundred years, perhaps. That is the entire point of statues. They are silly in a certain way, in the ways that religion was and is silly.


"but it was done for the best of reasons..."

But only from the point of those pulling down the statues...like the taliban

 

[peteblue]

But only from the point of those pulling down the statues...like the taliban

Will they be blowing up part of Mount Rushmore...

 

[degsy]

Will they be blowing up part of Mount Rushmore...

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Not today. In four hundred years, perhaps. That is the entire point of statues. They are silly in a certain way, in the ways that religion was and is silly.
When living memory is dead, history consists of stories. Man. (gender neutral) His story. History.
I want to leave the statue up and tell the truth about the people that erected it. Did they do it out of joy or fear? Did they do it out of hate or love?
What made this person so different they carved his/her image into stone and put it in the public square?
Iconoclasm is many things, but one thing it is not is nuanced. Iconoclasm kills history and makes it pliable in the hands of the cynical and sinister.

"but it was done for the best of reasons..."

Sorry, but we don't learn history from statues they're commemorative figures. Whether their real history is told in full or whitewashed (no pun intended, though possibly appropriate) is part of the problem.

 

[Brennan]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

 

[dead_soft]

1984 has little relevance to what is happening here. The movements against monuments (which isn't as big as people are making out) are done from outside of the state apparatus and have nothing at all to do with rewriting history. I keep seeing it used as a reference point (see that Ben Bradley twitter thread about it) but it's a ham fisted take that doesn't really hold water.

 

[mezzrow]

1984 has little relevance to what is happening here.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

1984 has little relevance to what is happening here.

I can’t believe you’re having to explain this to be honest.

 

[longers]

People learn history primarily from history books and school. Statues are miles down the pecking order in terms of schooling people on history.

No one is going to be going and burning down all the libraries and even if they did it's all digitally backed up anyway.