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coollino
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Probably built a Soldier X memorial or whatever that murderer was called
What’s the point of that ? People helping others with physical and mental injuries and disabilities deserve more respect in my opinion .
coollino
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A lot of people that stuck up for him wore their gear so they'd be pretty happy with the money spent.
“Bad men, when their parents or country have any defects, look on them with malignant joy, and find fault with them and expose and denounce them to others, under the idea that the rest of mankind will be less likely to take themselves to task and accuse them of neglect; and they blame their defects far more than they deserve, in order that the odium which is necessarily incurred by them may be increased.” - Plato
For those who did not live through the events of the Great War, the Great Depression, and WW2, it is easy to look back at Orwell's iconic statements in 1984 and Animal Farm and dismiss them as unrelated to current events. I didn't live through them myself, but their aftermath has hung over the lives of my generation, I suppose even more intensely in the UK, because you actually had people dropping bombs on your heads, something that we never experienced over here.
Before the time depicted in 1984, for example, events took place to change Great Britain into Airstrip One. Lots of history had to be forgotten to facilitate that conversion. That Churchill statue, for example. It is not mentioned, but do you think it still stood? If so, was Churchill depicted as a patriot and courageous bulwark against fascism or as an aristocratic wrecker, a spendthrift, an alcoholic, and an unapologetic imperialist? There's plenty of history to make either case.
I look at the news and see Plato's Bad Men in the deciders that have brought us into this place. They use the human defects of our ancestors and contemporaries to excuse their own imperfect behavior until they become the deciders. They demand forgiveness until they become the judge, and it is at that point it becomes clear that there will be no forgiveness for perceived sin and we are all sinners. Stick around. You'll see what I mean if this continues.
All they seek is total control. Over you. My words here are crimethink, and I will be reckoned with if they triumph. The reason I speak is because I don't have that much time left anyway. There is courage in that knowledge.
Here's how it works on the ground, seen in a thousand different ways. This is just one example, and the background for the video posted here earlier. Events depicted here took place in Madison Wisconsin, a college town and a famously progressive place.
"The man whose arrest Tuesday helped spark the protests that led to two landmark statues being knocked down and a state senator being assaulted is now facing federal charges for activities that allegedly occurred a day earlier. The U.S. Department of Justice has charged Devonere Johnson with extortion after authorities say he threatened two Madison businesses unless they sent him money and his associates were provided with free food and beverages.... According to the complaint... [t]he owner of the business told the FBI that on June 22, Johnson and another man were inside the business blasting music from a boom box. The complaint states Johnson said to the owner, 'Give me money or we’ll break windows' and then added 'Venmo me money.' The owner said that he supports the Black Lives Matter movement and that he had donated money to the movement. The owner then received Johnson’s Venmo information. That’s when Johnson walked to the bar and said 'You are all KKK.' The second man with Johnson added that the owner will get a call from a number with a Chicago area code. The owner told investigators that the next time he saw Johnson was the next day, June 23. Johnson walked into the business with a bat and a megaphone and started yelling and calling people racists. The owner says... Johnson said 'I am disturbing the (expletive) out of this restaurant' and that 'I got a (expletive) bat.' The second business... owner told investigators... that Johnson... put his feet up on the bar and said 'I can do whatever I want, we got [Business 3] shut down and we’ll do the same to you'.... The complaint states that Johnson returned the next day with the megaphone and the baseball bat. He and two other men who accompanied him told the owners they wanted free food and beer 'for their troubles.' Johnson then threatened to bring 600 people to the business and burn the business down. 'We can end this now and you won’t be marked like [Business 3]' Johnson allegedly told the owners."
https://www.nbc15.com/2020/06/26/fe...yVtj_oRQw8F0W2YYALA5TgDgQ8w85CiXQ7WBb9FC_LE5U
Nice little business you've got here, shame if anything happened to it...
In the passage you’ve quoted, ‘bad men’ doesn’t mean evil. It mean inferior. It’s saying that lesser men blame their own flaws on others. Like saying my parents were racist but people aren’t racist because they don’t use the n word any more. That inferior men can’t challenge themselves and look into themselves and improve themselves.
BLM is more than just statues. It’s not trying to rewrite history. It’s not trying to delete history. It’s saying we have a problem now and we can fix it. The vandalism is to raise awareness to what it is like to be a person of colour today.
Protagoras was saying that inferior men would try to ignore what was happening today. Bad men would blame the past and ignore their own flaws.
It’s not about rewriting history. It’s supporting the very thing that black lives matter are trying to raise awareness about. Protagoras would be saying that good men would treat those people with love and support and compassion. And bad men would just point to the vandalism and just say ‘well look at that. They are clearly bad people’.
You’ve misunderstood the message entirely.
I hope you are correct. I fear that you have misunderstood, not I. Time will decide.
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Have you not seen the increase recently? The actions of one group have prompted an (over) reaction from the other. The hearts and minds that support BLM have already been won, the ones that were racists from the start will be even more so after this. The trick is to slowly take people along with you, by having a focal point where the statues are vandalised it is just giving that side a call to arms to have more people join their twisted sect.
The more people who actively describe themselves as BNP, EDL etc. the more they will be emboldened enough to commit acts of racism.
I’m saying the racism already existed. It may have increased overt racism. But the reaction is a clear signal that racism exists. The fact that people are emboldened to be more racist (rather than be annoyed at vandals).
The whole conversation is about virtue. Not about rewriting history. You’ve taken the passage out of context.
I can see why people see tearing down statues as censorship. But the whole movement is about raising awareness to white supremacy (I’m not talking kkk extremism here - I mean in the literal sense). It’s highlighting history and context and how this country was built on the concept of white supremacy and that is the world we inherited. A legacy that exists today. And to talk about it. And be nuanced and challenge it.
1984 was about deleting history. It was about removing words from the modern lexicon. Not adding them and creating further nuance. It’s why so called ‘political correctness’ is the opposite of newspeak (which destroyed words).
1984 was about ignoring history. whitewashing history. Ignoring the actual reality of it.
I can see why people reach for orwell so easily but it’s a really poor analogy for what is happening here.
This is about rebalancing an unfair society.
This is about defining what rebalancing means.
One man's equilibrium is another's slippery slope.
This is about power and about who gets to decide.
Ok what do you think needs to be rebalanced?
That doesn't define what rebalancing means, it specifies who or what needs to be "rebalanced." I find "rebalancing" a very fungible word.
It can encompass anything from calibrating a precision tool to murder.
I know that but I want to understand what you think needs to be rebalanced before I ask you your methods. I need to understand the what before the how.
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