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[gwladysnight]

I thought it was amazing when I watched it. Like many, I had seen pictures of people who tried to escape East Berlin only to be shot at the attempt. But there is a bit of a difference between what was happening in East Germany and the lives of todays over indulged and over pampered vandals....

You do realise in this very City that Churchill ordered soldiers to open fire on people campaigning for better rights for workers

Liverpool's fatal 1911 riots remembered

In August 1911 troops clashed with rioters on the streets of Liverpool, killing two men.

www.bbc.co.uk

Soldiers open fire
In 1911 it was customary for The Riot Act, which could declare gatherings of 12 or more people unlawful, to be read aloud to crowds. At St George's Plateau, the local stipendiary magistrate, Stuart Deacon, stood at the base of the Wellington Monument to read the act.

Mounted police, charged the crowd while police on foot chased protesters across St George's Plateau and along neighbouring streets.

In one street mattresses were dragged from houses and set alight to block the advance of police horses.

By the following morning 96 people, many bandaged and bearing the scars of the riots, were appearing in courts charged with a variety of offences.

On 15 August, prison vans containing 90 of those convicted for involvement in the riots were attacked as they made their way down Vauxhall Road to Walton Jail.

The convoy was being escorted by 32 men from the cavalry unit the 18th Hussars, yet bottles and bricks were thrown at the soldiers and rioters grabbed the reins of the horses.

The Hussars opened fire on the crowd and two men were killed.

On the corner of Hopwood Street and Vauxhall Road, John Sutcliffe, 20, a carter, was shot twice in the head.


Churchill put tanks on the streets of Liverpool and sailed a warship up the Mersey to force people back to work.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

When in history did you not have a minority of youth on a bad path?

I'm over 30 and remember there were loads of them when I was a kid.

My dad is nearly 70 and recalls the same.

From what I gather its never been this bad RE knife crime etc.

My arl fella used to be a little git from what he said but he would never say boo to a copper or a adult neighbour as a kid - hell even when I was a teenager if you had a problem with someone it was a scrap and that was it.

Now you have idiots jumping folk coming out to shoo gangs away or sticking a knife in someone over some spat on FB its madness.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

From what I gather its never been this bad RE knife crime etc.

My arl fella used to be a little git from what he said but he would never say boo to a copper or a adult neighbour as a kid - hell even when I was a teenager if you had a problem with someone it was a scrap and that was it.

Now you have idiots jumping folk coming out to shoo gangs away or sticking a knife in someone over some spat on FB its madness.

Scroll down to section 2 in the link and you can see the rate of crime (if we exclude cyber crime and methods of fraud that didn't exist in 1981) is lower than at any point since 1981.

Violent crime is also lower than it was in 1981 and indeed at any point since.

The difference is you hear about it more because of 24hr news and social media

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults, also including data on crime experienced by children, and crimes against businesses and society.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Scroll down to section 2 in the link and you can see the rate of crime (if we exclude cyber crime and methods of fraud that didn't exist in 1981) is lower than at any point since 1981.

Violent crime is also lower than it was in 1981 and indeed at any point since.

The difference is you hear about it more because of 24hr news and social media

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults, also including data on crime experienced by children, and crimes against businesses and society.

www.ons.gov.uk

Even if its at its lowest that doesnt necessarily mean the violence itself isn't more severe than it once was - the stakes have been made higher - its no longer a punch up its who can knife the other the quickest.

Also a hell of alot of crime isnt even reported nowadays as alot of people either 1. Have no faith in the authorities / are too scared to report it or 2. There isnt enough resources out there to properly investigate these things.

Some of the stuff I saw growing up that went on and never got dealt with by the police I could write a book.

 

[peteblue]

You do realise in this very City that Churchill ordered soldiers to open fire on people campaigning for better rights for workers

Liverpool's fatal 1911 riots remembered

In August 1911 troops clashed with rioters on the streets of Liverpool, killing two men.

www.bbc.co.uk

Soldiers open fire
In 1911 it was customary for The Riot Act, which could declare gatherings of 12 or more people unlawful, to be read aloud to crowds. At St George's Plateau, the local stipendiary magistrate, Stuart Deacon, stood at the base of the Wellington Monument to read the act.

Mounted police, charged the crowd while police on foot chased protesters across St George's Plateau and along neighbouring streets.

In one street mattresses were dragged from houses and set alight to block the advance of police horses.

By the following morning 96 people, many bandaged and bearing the scars of the riots, were appearing in courts charged with a variety of offences.

On 15 August, prison vans containing 90 of those convicted for involvement in the riots were attacked as they made their way down Vauxhall Road to Walton Jail.

The convoy was being escorted by 32 men from the cavalry unit the 18th Hussars, yet bottles and bricks were thrown at the soldiers and rioters grabbed the reins of the horses.

The Hussars opened fire on the crowd and two men were killed.

On the corner of Hopwood Street and Vauxhall Road, John Sutcliffe, 20, a carter, was shot twice in the head.


Churchill put tanks on the streets of Liverpool and sailed a warship up the Mersey to force people back to work.

No one has said he was a nice man. This just proves my point that while being a ****, he was the best man for the WW2 job. Meanwhile what was your point about the Berlin Wall.....

 

[Hickson9]

Churchill's statue has been vandalised during pretty much every major protest over the last few decades.

Every time it has simply been cleaned up. It is standing there now, undamaged. And it will continue to stand there.

It is a minor issue, one leveraged by the reactionary far right to hold a violent, racist demo.

 

[mill]

I find it difficult to understand when people are more concerned about vandalism than racism.

I tell you what else is weird. The concept that the vandalism will cause more racism.

That people are more likely to hate ‘people of colour‘ because of the vandalism rather than hate ‘vandals’ more.

 

[Harryflashman]

You do realise in this very City that Churchill ordered soldiers to open fire on people campaigning for better rights for workers

Liverpool's fatal 1911 riots remembered

In August 1911 troops clashed with rioters on the streets of Liverpool, killing two men.

www.bbc.co.uk

Soldiers open fire
In 1911 it was customary for The Riot Act, which could declare gatherings of 12 or more people unlawful, to be read aloud to crowds. At St George's Plateau, the local stipendiary magistrate, Stuart Deacon, stood at the base of the Wellington Monument to read the act.

Mounted police, charged the crowd while police on foot chased protesters across St George's Plateau and along neighbouring streets.

In one street mattresses were dragged from houses and set alight to block the advance of police horses.

By the following morning 96 people, many bandaged and bearing the scars of the riots, were appearing in courts charged with a variety of offences.

On 15 August, prison vans containing 90 of those convicted for involvement in the riots were attacked as they made their way down Vauxhall Road to Walton Jail.

The convoy was being escorted by 32 men from the cavalry unit the 18th Hussars, yet bottles and bricks were thrown at the soldiers and rioters grabbed the reins of the horses.

The Hussars opened fire on the crowd and two men were killed.

On the corner of Hopwood Street and Vauxhall Road, John Sutcliffe, 20, a carter, was shot twice in the head.


Churchill put tanks on the streets of Liverpool and sailed a warship up the Mersey to force people back to work.

I totally appreciate your points on Churchill and I think they’re well made but to my father who was a scouser and served in the Second World War and my mother who lived through it and lost her brother he was an inspiration. I make no attempt to argue or justify their position I wasn’t there I simply have no right but they viewed him very differently to many on here .Now that’s not to say my dad voted For in 1945 he viewed him as a wartime leader , a man for a job that needed doing but he certainly wouldn’t dismiss the role he played or it’s importance .

 

[peteblue]

I tell you what else is weird. The concept that the vandalism will cause more racism.

That people are more likely to hate ‘people of colour‘ because of the vandalism rather than hate ‘vandals’ more.

In this particular case the vandalism is taking place on behalf/during a protest about BLM. It is only natural therefore that it gets attributed to the cause of BLM. Now racists will continue to be racist anyway. But ordinary folk may see this vandalism performed on behalf of BLM and actually start to look at the cause in what may be described as a racist manner or even sympathise with some who are actual racists. Finding someone to blame for something is the first step on the path to racism as unfortunately has been seen many times before. ....

 

[mill]

In this particular case the vandalism is taking place on behalf/during a protest about BLM. It is only natural therefore that it gets attributed to the cause of BLM. Now racists will continue to be racist anyway. But ordinary folk may see this vandalism performed on behalf of BLM and actually start to look at the cause in what may be described as a racist manner or even sympathise with some who are actual racists. Finding someone to blame for something is the first step on the path to racism as unfortunately has been seen many times before. ....

I think anyone who chooses ‘black person’ over ‘vandal’ is racist to begin with to be honest.
whether they like to admit it or not.

 

[peteblue]

I think anyone who chooses ‘black person’ over ‘vandal’ is racist to begin with to be honest.
whether they like to admit it or not.

I think you will never understand people, but are lamely trying to tag people as racists....

 

[mill]

I think you will never understand people, but are lamely trying to tag people as racists....

I understand people just fine. If you think ‘black’ before ‘vandal’ then that is the issue that people are talking about.

 

[peteblue]

I understand people just fine. If you think ‘black’ before ‘vandal’ then that is the issue that people are talking about.

I don’t think you do, and I don’t think ‘black’ before ’vandal’ as you are desperately trying to get into the conversation. Racism is not just about ‘black’ and ‘white’ and if that is what you think then perhaps it is you that requires further understanding of racism.

Have a look at this and give me your views....

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www.invisible-racism.eu

 

[dead_soft]

I don’t think you do, and I don’t think ‘black’ before ’vandal’ as you are desperately trying to get into the conversation. Racism is not just about ‘black’ and ‘white’ and if that is what you think then perhaps it is you that requires further understanding of racism.

Have a look at this and give me your views....

Noutățile

Descoperă pe Noutatile.ro cele mai noi și utile informații. Revista online care te ține la curent cu știri și noutăți din diverse domenii. Rămâi informat!

www.invisible-racism.eu

Please tell me you understand the irony of you posting a link to this?

 

[Brendan Janus]

Grace Jones statue has been defaced & taken down !!