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[Tubey]

Walking around in your day to day life, you cannot use it.

Use the word on here and you will be rightfully banned.

No one should be able to use it on here, to be clear.

If a black person wants to use it, for example in a song, then all power to them.

Really?

Right, so journalism exists yeah?

Take this story.

White Defendant Used Racial Slur After Shooting Ahmaud Arbery, Investigator Testifies

One of the white men charged in the Georgia killing of Ahmaud Arbery used a racial slur after shooting the unarmed black man, an investigator testified in court on Thursday, an explosive allegation in one of the cases roiling race relations in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

'Get your knee off our necks’ Sharpton delivers moving eulogy at Floyd memorial

First of three memorials around the country as protesters also gather outside court where three officers are due to appear

www.theguardian.com

Both of these articles exist. Both use the word unredacted. Because by not doing so you create ambiguity and lose accuracy.

The sole reason I wouldn't use it on here is because of the swear filter. However, there's no reason whatsoever why I couldn't use it in context when talking about the merits of language.

Context. Again, it all comes down to context. A word isn't automatically racist - intent matters.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I think you have some arguments in fairly modern history about the lack of acknowledgement of the part that minorities played. You must recognise surely that a significant majority of minority people were never slaves or descended from slaves of the British? The largest wave of minority population spikes came after the war through the commonwealth and I think we improved everywhere that was part of our commonwealth in the long run? I mean there is a reason that a lot of people from Hong Kong supposedly want to return to the empire? It's a heavy subject to go into it all and I'm not sure that there is a right answer. Weren't a significant amount of the statues in question put up with private money and I assume they would have required planning permission in some cases?

The Commonwealth is a 20th Century creation. That and The British Empire are different things.

And a lot depends on your definition of improvement. Did the settlement of the New World improve things for the natives? Or under The Commonwealth did the hastily drawn Radcliffe Line benefit those who fell the wrong side of the border?

A lot of nations have managed to emerge as functioning modern societys without a history of British rule. And many former colonies, of British and other powers, still suffer from the fallout of decisions made entirely for the benefit of the ruling nation.

That people from Hong Kong may "want to return to the empire" is more indicative of the Chinese regime than it is a ringing endorsement of the days of Pax Britannica.

 

[tsubaki]

Really?

Right, so journalism exists yeah?

Take this story.

White Defendant Used Racial Slur After Shooting Ahmaud Arbery, Investigator Testifies

One of the white men charged in the Georgia killing of Ahmaud Arbery used a racial slur after shooting the unarmed black man, an investigator testified in court on Thursday, an explosive allegation in one of the cases roiling race relations in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

'Get your knee off our necks’ Sharpton delivers moving eulogy at Floyd memorial

First of three memorials around the country as protesters also gather outside court where three officers are due to appear

www.theguardian.com

Both of these articles exist. Both use the word unredacted. Because by not doing so you create ambiguity and lose accuracy.

The sole reason I wouldn't use it on here is because of the swear filter. However, there's no reason whatsoever why I couldn't use it in context when talking about the merits of language.

Context. Again, it all comes down to context. A word isn't automatically racist - intent matters.

Ladies and Gentlemen, centrism.

 

[mill]

Really?

Right, so journalism exists yeah?

Take this story.

White Defendant Used Racial Slur After Shooting Ahmaud Arbery, Investigator Testifies

One of the white men charged in the Georgia killing of Ahmaud Arbery used a racial slur after shooting the unarmed black man, an investigator testified in court on Thursday, an explosive allegation in one of the cases roiling race relations in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

'Get your knee off our necks’ Sharpton delivers moving eulogy at Floyd memorial

First of three memorials around the country as protesters also gather outside court where three officers are due to appear

www.theguardian.com

Both of these articles exist. Both use the word unredacted. Because by not doing so you create ambiguity and lose accuracy.

The sole reason I wouldn't use it on here is because of the swear filter. However, there's no reason whatsoever why I couldn't use it in context when talking about the merits of language.

Context. Again, it all comes down to context. A word isn't automatically racist - intent matters.

Intent isn’t a defence. You can be ignorantly racist.

 

[Tubey]

That’s an absolute load of rubbish.

Nobody cares about faulty towers and rubbish sitcoms from the past.

The door hasn’t been opened to anyone. Factions are putting stories out their to stir the pot and people always jump on them because it’s easier to say “omg it’s PC gone mad they can’t get rid of fawlty towers” than actually front up.

It’s the equivalent to saying they want to get rid of poppies and we can’t say Christmas anymore.

It’s nonsense created by the far right to make the people turn on eachother.

I'm fairly sure it was just two days ago I was pointing out that this is exactly how this would all go, and you were saying I was wrong then too.

You're only blaming the far right now because you can see the error being made. Unfortunately mate, this wasn't made by Tommy Robinson: https://www.toppletheracists.org/

 

[Hickson9]

Really?

Right, so journalism exists yeah?

Take this story.

White Defendant Used Racial Slur After Shooting Ahmaud Arbery, Investigator Testifies

One of the white men charged in the Georgia killing of Ahmaud Arbery used a racial slur after shooting the unarmed black man, an investigator testified in court on Thursday, an explosive allegation in one of the cases roiling race relations in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

'Get your knee off our necks’ Sharpton delivers moving eulogy at Floyd memorial

First of three memorials around the country as protesters also gather outside court where three officers are due to appear

www.theguardian.com

Both of these articles exist. Both use the word unredacted. Because by not doing so you create ambiguity and lose accuracy.

The sole reason I wouldn't use it on here is because of the swear filter. However, there's no reason whatsoever why I couldn't use it in context when talking about the merits of language.

Context. Again, it all comes down to context. A word isn't automatically racist - intent matters.

I flicked through the Guardian one. They are quoting a black person telling a story about their lived experience

Linking to an article from a reputable and recognised site is fine.

If you use the word on this forum in any way, you will be banned.

Let it go.

 

[Tubey]

Ladies and Gentlemen, centrism.

Name one thing wrong with what I've just put down there.

 

[tsubaki]

Name one thing wrong with what I've just put down there.

“The sole reason I wouldn’t use it on here is because of the swear filter”

Also the words after that.

 

[Prevenger17]

I really think that word is the easiest thing not to say, it's a slam dunk for us. Who gives an eff if black people can use it? Just use your common sense ffs

 

[Tubey]

I flicked through the Guardian one. They are quoting a black person telling a story about their lived experience

Linking to an article from a reputable and recognised site is fine.

If you use the word on this forum in any way, you will be banned.

Let it go.

@GrandOldTeam, just out of interest, while there's obviously a blanket ban on certain words for obvious reasons, in theory would the use of the word alone - regardless of all context - result in a ban? Say if quoting a historical phrase to support an argument, or pasting a news piece that just happened to mention it, or talking about etymology?

For example, I just used a word that's technically a Jewish slur here, in the context of language and the evolution of words - https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-landmarks-of-slavery.110395/page-59#post-7862220 - should I now be banned for simply typing the word alone?

 

[ClausThomsen]

I'm fairly sure it was just two days ago I was pointing out that this is exactly how this would all go, and you were saying I was wrong then too.

You're only blaming the far right now because you can see the error being made. Unfortunately mate, this wasn't made by Tommy Robinson: https://www.toppletheracists.org/

From the site....the page you posted. Not tucked away in some hidden corner.

What do we want?
To promote debate. It's important to shine a light on the continued adoration of colonial icons and symbols.

Are you saying the statues should be torn down?
It's up to local communities to decide what statues they want in their local areas. We hope the map aids these much-needed dialogues. Taking down a statue could also include moving it to a museum, for example.


That seems pretty reasonable to me. But of course actually reading, listening or debating something reasonable is anithema to some.

 

[Prevenger17]

@GrandOldTeam, just out of interest, while there's obviously a blanket ban on certain words for obvious reasons, in theory would the use of the word alone - regardless of all context - result in a ban? Say if quoting a historical phrase to support an argument, or pasting a news piece that just happened to mention it, or talking about etymology?

For example, I just used a word that's technically a Jewish slur here, in the context of language and the evolution of words - https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-landmarks-of-slavery.110395/page-59#post-7862220 - should I now be banned for simply typing the word alone?

Tubes mate, you're thinking way too much into this. It's not a strait jacket

 

[mill]

Name one thing wrong with what I've just put down there.

That racism is just about intent. It’s not.

 

[Charro]

I'm fairly sure it was just two days ago I was pointing out that this is exactly how this would all go, and you were saying I was wrong then too.

You're only blaming the far right now because you can see the error being made. Unfortunately mate, this wasn't made by Tommy Robinson: https://www.toppletheracists.org/

I don’t see the issue with that link. If there’s monuments with links to slavery they need to be pointed out and talked about. I’m still undecided on if they should all come down, but it’s important that they’re acknowledged.

I don’t even know if it’s the far right tbh but it’s clear to me that there’s something happening online that’s trying to shift the narrative and turn this whole movement into a culture war.

People from BLM and other activist groups do not care about removing rubbish old sitcoms.

 

[Tubey]

Tubes mate, you're thinking way too much into this. It's not a strait jacket

I'm replying to Hickson suggesting it is mate - my whole point is that it's not.