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I've experienced it multiple times, so I know it can be backwards in southern Ireland.
What's the harm in saying it? All it is is a statement of historical accuracy - it does nothing else. What's the point in not saying the dog's name? Do you think history will kindly forget it or something?
It's the same issue as the statues. Applying 2020 sensibilities on history. It astonishes me how people lack the ability to apply context to the point where they are offended by a dogs name from the 1940s being typed on a forum in the exact context it was in.
Its not ludicrous, though. There is a lot of negative history attached to that word. My question would be, "was that name used because of the racist connotations"?
Similarly, you could argue that the swastika should still be displayed because it was widely used as a symbol of peace before the nazis bastardised it.
This has been the crux of my argument on the whole issue of black lives matter. People would not question the removal of nazi symbols or fight for the right to remember and call out the atrocities that happened because it is relevant to our culture. As soon as a black person raises the issue of historic slavery, they're told to stop moaning as it was ages ago or, its just a statue.
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
To kill a mocking bird, one of the greatest books ever written, uses the word quite alot, given its stature as one of the great books it's quite possible that people would have to quote it.. it's even on the English curriculum in Irish schools.
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No one is offended by the dogs name.
More people might be offended by you using the name as an excuse to use the word, on a thread about how there are symbols of people who carried out one of the great crimes of history all over the U.K.
That's alright then. Tropes are absolutely fine to be used because you visited there a couple of times. We're back to being able to decide what other people are allowed to find racist now are we, I can't keep up?
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
If you are going to keep insisting on taking parts of posts to quote and addressing it completely out of context then there is little point in discussing the matter with you, twice you have done it now. Others will see your comment and extrapolate information from incomplete data, which I guess is your aim, so I'm done discussing this with you..
It wasn't an "excuse to use the word" - it was a discussion as to how and when the word could be used because Hickson said white people, full stop, could not use the word.
They can. In context. I used it in that context. I supported my argument. I wouldn't use it outside common sense context.
You are using this an example. The underlying theme of the book is racial injustice.
Context *is* important.
It’s used to illustrate the point. And it’s widely used in schools to open the debate on race.
its a false equivalency. you can’t compare it to the name of a dog in a tv program ffs.
I typed a response before deleting it after realising how ridiculous it all was.
Let’s just have a few #cans and go statue pulling lads!?
Erm, I said southern Ireland can be backwards because I've been there lots and experienced explicit racism lots of times.
This isn't a trope, it has literally happened in my life.
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“Common sense” being the justification for so many things, of course.
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