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And still not backing down. Oh dear.
You have an issue with Ireland being called backwards. I don't think Ireland is a backwards country. I also don't think the Irish are backwards. That covers off your issue, does it not?
I think the "far south" of Ireland can be backwards with the explicit racism, based on my experiences.
I think explicit racism is backwards. I don't see the controversy there, that is why I am not "backing down".
I think your point and my point, are separate points.
If that covers off my issue, then does saying 'yeah i know used the word N word but i didn't mean it offensively' cover off the issue you were previously discussing? I would think not, judging by your comments on it. You said something offensive. You may not have meant to, but you did. And when called out on it, instead of saying 'sorry, that's not what I meant but i obviously didn't explain it very well and so I totally understand what you're saying' you have repeatedly tried to say that you can decide whether it was offensive or not. Why is that? As far as I can see you've spent the last few days telling people they don't have the right to do that, and they're 'part of the problem' and yet here you are saying that you can determine whether what you said is OK, and refusing to take on board on the suggestion that you might want to think more carefully about how you word things in future. I find that interesting.
I've said it in this thread already, but my views on using the N word and explicit racism being backwards are in sync.
I also think you are drawing a false equivalence with how offensive the N word is, and universally accepted to be.
You were offended by what I said. I think I have explained myself. We can agree to disagree.
Hypocrisy at it's best. All over it when it's a subject in the news but absolutely no interest in putting things into practice and actually thinking about your words and actions. What a surprise.
Do you have an issue with what I said about explicit racism in southern Ireland (literally the southern counties of the Republic) being backwards, or do you have an issue with me supporting Black Lives Matter?
There is no hypocrisy, both viewpoints are perfectly in sync.
Phew. There's a wikipedia article about a famous black labrador retriever in WWII that I simply had to share. The thought police had been preventing me all this time
Jaysus, the isolation must be hitting you hard down there.
He's right though, Tipperary is practically Alabama in the 30's
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I'm aware of the rumours but have never ever made any association between Penny Lane and slavery. The graffiti attack on it is totally pointless. Let the brave perpetrator go and spray all over the town hall with at least some justification.
Neither. I've made my point pretty clearly I think. Maybe if you go back and read it again, with a slightly less defensive mindset, it will help?
You say you were referring to Ireland being backwards specifically with regards to racism. Leaving aside that it still wouldn't be a great choice of words in the context of the discussion, it also isn't what you actually wrote. You said 'It can be properly backwards over there' which reads as if you're talking generally. You then say that you didn't mean 'southern Ireland' in terms of the country, but actually meant 'the far south' of the country. Again, it isn't what you said, and Tipperary (the starting point of the conversation) is hardly the 'far south' anyway.
When these things were pointed out to you, you refused point blank to accept that you had done anything wrong, and fell back on all the stereotypical defences that people offer when accused of racism. For 'historically my family is from there' read 'but i've got black friends!', for 'i've experienced racism in Ireland' read 'but I've seen black people with knives'. When I said you had said something offensive you said that while I might find it offensive, i'm actually wrong. Do you really not see how that's problematic?
When I first posted about the backwards thing I was being tongue in cheek, I expected you to say 'oops, haha good point'; I don't really think you are prejudiced against Irish people or were trying to be offensive. I genuinely found the way you reacted to be interesting though, because you did all the things that you've been telling people not to do when talking about people of colour. Without wanting to sound like 'all lives matter' I think it would be useful if people took this opportunity to think about the things they say and do in general, rather than solely in one context. I think your responses to me have highlighted just how easy it is for people to be offensive without intending to be, and how difficult it's going to be to change that.That is what I was calling hypocrisy.
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Yikes.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
I'll be clear to what I was referring to.
My personal experiences are from Tipp, Waterford and Cork. I've encountered explicit racism, over a 10 year period. Black people are lazy, black people are stupid, black people should be sent back to where they come from. Liberal use of the N word.
That is what I consider to be backwards and is what I was referring to when I said it can be backwards over there.
This is a thread about racism, providing the context for my comments.
Do you think the racism I have set out above is backwards?
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