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[Papa Shango]

Does anyone want to help take down the Pyramids?

Only if we can enlist some slaves to help?

Looks like a lot of effort and money is tight.

I also want to be praised fully for doing it once they have finished.

 

[Tipp blue]

It's all depends on which side of the fence you are on, same with all the others.
Nelson Mandela, Churchill and etc. Its gone crazy.

I really don't understand how the leader of Ireland can be on that side of the fence, wanting a statue of an Irish freedom fighter removed while not mentioning the aggressors who caused the need for freedom fighters to do what they did. I'd imagine that if England had ever been invaded and taken over and had to fight for freedom the people who fought would be seen as heros and celebrated regardless of where and how they acquired their weapons. It seems odd that our leader would take the stance he has. And I'm still not pro the removal of any statues.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Does anyone want to help take down the Pyramids?

What’s left of the Burma railway needs tearing up.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Absolutely not.

Your point was perfectly valid and did not need the white part in there. I found it to be a really weird proviso to put in there.

You honestly think the police laying into a bunch of scousers (regardless of colour) for taking down a Thatcher statue would not be as newsworthy? There would be absolute uproar.

Not really - sadly most of the country would likely say "typical scousers causing trouble, never their fault etc."

Police attacking BAME weeks after the George Floyd killing would be far more newsworthy.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Does anyone want to help take down the Pyramids?

Can it be pulled down using a rope and flipped into a dock? If not I'm out.

Actually if we create enough media attention maybe we can send everyone who wants to pull down a monument over there and they can get a real sense of cause by trying to move the blocks by hand. That will clear the situation here so we can get on to the real problems of a global pandemic, the upcoming no deal Brexit whilst trying to make the poorest in society not any worse than they are now because of those two things. I think we have enough on our plates.

 

[Papa Shango]

Not really - sadly most of the country would likely say "typical scousers causing trouble, never there fault etc."

Police attacking BAME weeks after the George Floyd killing would be far more newsworthy.

You mean they would be prejudiced against scousers for no apparent reason and start calling them thugs and vermin etc whilst a load of people not from here who never have to live what we have and do go through tell us that they don't know what we are so angry about it for?

There is a fair amount of correlation there.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You mean they would be prejudiced against scousers for no apparent reason and start calling them thugs and vermin etc whilst a load of people not from here who never have to live what we have and do go through tell us that they don't know what we are so angry about it for?

There is a fair amount of correlation there.

Im scouse and would call those doing it idiots.

Thats where I differ from others - I dont use whats gone in the past as an excuse to smash stuff / take my anger out on innocent folk/property.

Each to their own.

 

[Papa Shango]

Im scouse and would call those doing it idiots.

Thats where I differ from others - I dont use whats gone in the past as an excuse to smash stuff / take my anger out on innocent folk/property.

Each to their own.

But you want to call the army in to smash up dissidents?

I'm getting the feeling you just love a good statue.

 

[Connor]

Can it be pulled down using a rope and flipped into a dock? If not I'm out.

Actually if we create enough media attention maybe we can send everyone who wants to pull down a monument over there and they can get a real sense of cause by trying to move the blocks by hand. That will clear the situation here so we can get on to the real problems of a global pandemic, the upcoming no deal Brexit whilst trying to make the poorest in society not any worse than they are now because of those two things. I think we have enough on our plates.

I will put you down as a maybe

 

[ForeverBlue92]

But you want to call the army in to smash up dissidents?

I'm getting the feeling you just love a good statue.

If the police are too politically hamstrung to do their jobs effectively enough in the midst of a pandemic thats killing thousands then yes the army needs calling in to maintain peace and order.

 

[Papa Shango]

If the police are too politically hamstrung to do their jobs effectively enough in the midst of a pandemic thats killing thousands then yes the army needs calling in to maintain peace and order.

That wont be the end result though. Surely you know that?

 

[atypicalusername]

See this is the problem you have when you bang on about ‘democracy’.
Left alone it’s not necessarily going to end oppression is it?
If you have a minority saying ‘this is a huge problem for us and this is why’, you are saying the majority get to decide whether they are listened to or not. Can you see the problem there?
its not just a case of putting it to a vote.

Sorry to geg in lads. Mill so you are up for mob rule then? Democracy and Britain abolished slavery? I'm not trying to be funny or anything mate but I'm genuinely confused. Could be me misunderstanding though?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That wont be the end result though. Surely you know that?

Only if those on the marches didn't behave themselves same as with the police.

 

[Papa Shango]

Only if those on the marches dont behave themselves surely?

All it takes is one person to make one wrong move on either side (they are all human) and there would be absolute bedlam.

If someone on the march does not "behave themselves" then what happens next? What do the army do? We know what happens and then rightly or wrongly we are looking at a nation who stops protests about racial equality with brute force.

I don't think you have thought this through very well if I am being honest.

 

[mill]

Sorry to geg in lads. Mill so you are up for mob rule then? Democracy and Britain abolished slavery? I'm not trying to be funny or anything mate but I'm genuinely confused. Could be me misunderstanding though?

Sorry no, that’s not the point I was making at all.

I was saying that simply voting on such issues isn’t the answer because we are talking about the feelings of a minority.

If you think about representation in this country. Ethnic minorities represent about 30% of the population. They need allies just to be heard. Just to be represented.

simply voting on the issue isn’t enough. Because the vast majority of the population aren’t the ones who are feeling oppressed.

The Colston statue doesn’t affect me. It doesn’t make me feel oppressed. But I wasn’t subject to slavery. I’ve never been subject to racism. I can empathise though and if people feel so strongly about it then I’m sure there are other people to celebrate instead of him.

the point was more a simple vote doesn’t necessarily mean the minority are heard. And right now they are asking for us to listen to their experience.

it’s not about the statues for them. The statues are just a beacon. And example. It’s about more than that.

anyway sorry if I wasn’t clear. It wasn’t a direct assault on democracy. More that certain things can’t be solved by a democratic vote.