Blueclouds
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Why don't they just put a plaque on these statues with the good and bad. Both side can be happy then.
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Yea only positives from Churchill in WW2 what a great and wonderful hero he was, except https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...1943-bengal-famine-study-190401155922122.html
They weren't 2m social distancing though, were they? Half of London's streets and other cities and towns don't have 2m social distancing capabilities. So send in the army to force 2m social distancing and force people onto the roads.
I know his history, but I think you'll be hard pressed to name one world leader throughout history without blood on their hands.
*googles Mahatma Ghandi*
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Exactly so I find left politicans & left leaning talking heads on twitter advocating for thousands of people to be lining the streets protesting in the middle of a global pandemic to be showing hypocrisy when they were moaning about small groups hanging around / not social distancing during lockdown.
Robert Baden-Powell statue: Scouts founder monument given 24-hour protection as temporary removal is delayed
Baden-Powell, a British Army officer who started Scouting in 1907, has been accused of racism and of being a Nazi sympathiser.
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Might not have any blood on his hands but Held some pretty dodgy views
Robert Baden-Powell statue: Scouts founder monument given 24-hour protection as temporary removal is delayed
Baden-Powell, a British Army officer who started Scouting in 1907, has been accused of racism and of being a Nazi sympathiser.news.sky.com
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having seen his views on masturbation i’m ok with the removal of his statue
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
That's what I've been saying all along, pretty everyone from the past who has a statue has done good in certain areas and done horrific things elsewhere, I seriously doubt that any statues of Churchill or Queen Victoria will be removed, unless it's by an angry mob and I'd imagine if that did happen the statues would be restored if possible or replaced by another Churchill or Victoria statue. So the question must be asked are there statues of people who did horrific things to people around the world that are untouchable? If so why are they untouchable, and why is it OK to say this one can go but don't touch that one.. like I said here Victoria did far worse things to the Irish than Colson ever did to black Africans, yet she's untouchable and voted into the top 10 greatest Britons of all time.
Robert Baden-Powell statue: Scouts founder monument given 24-hour protection as temporary removal is delayed
Baden-Powell, a British Army officer who started Scouting in 1907, has been accused of racism and of being a Nazi sympathiser.
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Yeah, it’s getting silly.
Blueclouds
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We are talking about men from society which was backwards in so many ways against gays, racism and even women. Women who got pregnant without a husband was shameful. So many dark issues in those days..
Am allowed to believe that the police are concerned about this and so have advised the removal of statues, and that real people are saying they will stand and protect the statue, or will people laugh at me because I only read it on the internet?Robert Baden-Powell statue: Scouts founder monument given 24-hour protection as temporary removal is delayed
Baden-Powell, a British Army officer who started Scouting in 1907, has been accused of racism and of being a Nazi sympathiser.
See what I mean now?
Do you still advocate the army on the streets as a deterrent against small groups hanging around on beaches, in the streets, in the fields and hills? '"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender" Or is it for the army to be used selectively?
Activists have drawn up a list of statues they want to see removed as anti-racism protests continue across the UK.
Monuments of former prime ministers such as William Gladstone and Sir Robert Peel, as well as English sea captains James Cook and Sir Francis Drake, are listed as targets.
They feature on a website called "Topple the Racists", to which the public can add their suggestions - and an interactive map gives the locations as well as a description of each memorial. https://www.toppletheracists.org/
The list comes as business minister Nadhim Zahawi told Sky News that "any slave trader should not have a statue".
He added: "I wouldn't be breaking the law to take statues down, it should be done through our democratic process.
"This country is a democracy, a proud democracy and it should be up to local people to decide what they want to do with that statue and any other statue."
The list includes demands for the renaming of pubs and institutions linked to Britain's colonial past, and streets named after East India company senior figures - as well as the removal of a statue of Robert Clive (aka Clive of India), who spearheaded the trading enterprise.
The site reads: "We believe these statues and other memorials to slave-owners and colonialists need to be removed so that Britain can finally face the truth about its past - and how it shapes our present."
Demonstrations supporting the Black Lives Matter movement have been taking place across the UK since the death of George Floyd during his arrest by a white police officer in the US two weeks ago.
There have since been increasing demands to remove the legacy of racism and colonialism from institutions, including monuments of controversial historical figures.
Some of the monuments which feature on the list have already been taken down.
The figure of Robert Milligan was taken down from its plinth at West India Quay in the Docklands on Tuesday - two days after campaigners tore down a statue of a slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol.
The protests have also reignited a campaign for a statue of British imperialist Cecil Rhodes to be removed from an Oxford University college.
A statue of coloniser Christopher Columbus in London's Belgravia is another target on the hit list.
Campaigners say they also want to see Beckford School in North London, which is named after slave owner William Beckford, renamed.
Guy's Hospital near London Bridge is also named, which was founded in 1721 by Sir Thomas Guy, who made his fortune through investment in the South Sea Company, whose main purpose was to sell slaves to the Spanish Colonies.
A petition has also been launched to rename The Elihu Yale, a Wetherspoons pub in Wrexham, Wales, named after a slave trader and official for the East India Company in Madras.
Several monuments have also been vandalised during the protests, including a statue of Queen Victoria in Woodhouse Moor, Leeds, and that of former prime minister Winston Churchill in London's Parliament Square.
It comes as Labour councils across England and Wales pledged to begin reviewing such monuments in their areas.
It follows a similar decision by the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, after his office announced that the newly-formed Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm will review landmarks in the capital - including murals, street art, street names, statues and other memorials.
Monuments of former prime ministers such as William Gladstone and Sir Robert Peel, as well as English sea captains James Cook and Sir Francis Drake, are listed as targets.
They feature on a website called "Topple the Racists", to which the public can add their suggestions - and an interactive map gives the locations as well as a description of each memorial. https://www.toppletheracists.org/
The list comes as business minister Nadhim Zahawi told Sky News that "any slave trader should not have a statue".
He added: "I wouldn't be breaking the law to take statues down, it should be done through our democratic process.
"This country is a democracy, a proud democracy and it should be up to local people to decide what they want to do with that statue and any other statue."
The list includes demands for the renaming of pubs and institutions linked to Britain's colonial past, and streets named after East India company senior figures - as well as the removal of a statue of Robert Clive (aka Clive of India), who spearheaded the trading enterprise.
The site reads: "We believe these statues and other memorials to slave-owners and colonialists need to be removed so that Britain can finally face the truth about its past - and how it shapes our present."
Demonstrations supporting the Black Lives Matter movement have been taking place across the UK since the death of George Floyd during his arrest by a white police officer in the US two weeks ago.
There have since been increasing demands to remove the legacy of racism and colonialism from institutions, including monuments of controversial historical figures.
Some of the monuments which feature on the list have already been taken down.
The figure of Robert Milligan was taken down from its plinth at West India Quay in the Docklands on Tuesday - two days after campaigners tore down a statue of a slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol.
The protests have also reignited a campaign for a statue of British imperialist Cecil Rhodes to be removed from an Oxford University college.
A statue of coloniser Christopher Columbus in London's Belgravia is another target on the hit list.
Campaigners say they also want to see Beckford School in North London, which is named after slave owner William Beckford, renamed.
Guy's Hospital near London Bridge is also named, which was founded in 1721 by Sir Thomas Guy, who made his fortune through investment in the South Sea Company, whose main purpose was to sell slaves to the Spanish Colonies.
A petition has also been launched to rename The Elihu Yale, a Wetherspoons pub in Wrexham, Wales, named after a slave trader and official for the East India Company in Madras.
Several monuments have also been vandalised during the protests, including a statue of Queen Victoria in Woodhouse Moor, Leeds, and that of former prime minister Winston Churchill in London's Parliament Square.
It comes as Labour councils across England and Wales pledged to begin reviewing such monuments in their areas.
It follows a similar decision by the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, after his office announced that the newly-formed Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm will review landmarks in the capital - including murals, street art, street names, statues and other memorials.
The media / social media are trying to engineer it into a sort of anarchist / left wing version 1950s McCarthy witch hunts.
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