Papa Shango
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Just watched a dvd with 2 girls in it called that.It involved a rubber mat on the carpet first.The bloke looked happy though.
Have you considered The possibility that, rather than being unable to grasp the point you’re making, some people may just not agree with you?
I know some people don't agree with me. It's when they completely ignore the point I am making when answering because they are so eager to get their own point across.
"Put the statues in museums"
"How will people learn about history if you knock them down?"
"I'm not saying knock them down, I'm saying put them somewhere where people can learn abou-"
"Should we knock the pyramids down as well?"
"What do the pyramids have to do with.."
"WHAT ABOUT THE COLOSSEUM!"
Know what I mean?
The binman chronicles
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I liken all this to a story Big Nev once told when he was unhappy at Everton. During this time he bumped into Philip Carter in the car park at Goodison, who obviously had a flash motor and when Carter asked what would help, Nev not knowing what would make him happy just blurted out the first thing that came to mind and replied he wanted Carter's car (I basically think it was a car like his - but he did say YOUR car at the time). Carter looked bemused and probably knew at that point that giving Nev a car would not suddenly change what he was feeling, or at least not past the very short term of being given it and so didn't do anything.
In this reality the Philip Carters (authority figures) have gone yes you can have a car (standing aside letting the statues be pulled down) but after it is all done and a week has gone by it's not going to change anyone's deep rooted feelings of unfairness or unhappiness. All the same problems will still exist and people will still be searching for a solution.
In this reality the Philip Carters (authority figures) have gone yes you can have a car (standing aside letting the statues be pulled down) but after it is all done and a week has gone by it's not going to change anyone's deep rooted feelings of unfairness or unhappiness. All the same problems will still exist and people will still be searching for a solution.
Logically, if you believe statues should be in museums because they are controversial, then anything else controversial should also see the same treatment.
So the pyramids would have to go "in a museum". So would the Colosseum. Or be destroyed.
Because your logic is saying that these monuments should not be allowed to exist outside museums.
Thank you for proving the point I was just making:
Going around in circles at this point aren't we?
Spadge Vernacular
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I do know what you mean, but there are holes in the argument. It’s been explained what the pyramids have got to do with it. It might not be the exact same situation, but it’s a reasonably fair comparison. They’re both potentially controversial and so the question is being posed why one would be ok to stay where it is and the other wouldn’t. You can answer that and explain why, but if you don’t see why people are asking the question I’m not sure you should be complaining that other people aren’t grasping things.
I said to you earlier, a major downside to just putting things in museums is that only people who are actively seeking education will get it. There’ll be nobody just seeing a statue While walking round a city and reading the plaque which explains why it’s there (Not in colston’s case Obviously) and gaining a greater understanding of something. Nobody’s interested will be piqued by a mention of a battle or whatever, leading them to google it and getting the whole story. In order to see something potentially controversial you’ll have to make the decision to visit a museum and seek things out. I’m not sure that’s a good substitute.
"The Pyramids are a tourist attraction. The whole area is a glorified museum at this point."
That's your whole defence about why they're different.
The problem with that is, so are the statues.
People are grasping the point you're trying to make, and pointing out it doesn't wash. Because the only reason you try to differentiate them is because you know it'd be ridiculous to suggest pulling down the pyramids, yet there's no real difference between them existing in the world and any given historical statue. They serve the same purpose - a monument to their time.
Ergo...
British anti-racism protestors call for destruction of Giza Pyramids - Egypt Independent
British anti-racism protestors called for the destruction of Egypt's Giza Pyramids on Sunday, after tearing down a statue of a slave trader in the city of Bristol and throwing it in the Avon river, CNN reported Monday.
egyptindependent.com
Indeed.
Also, how Islamic State systematically destroyed Syrian heritage.
Destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State - Wikipedia
Again, done because they believed it was right to do so, in name of an ideology.
People will now be outraged that I'm comparing the two, but here's the thing - they are the exact same action, done for a set motivation. The problem with modern society is this ridiculous view of "good vs. evil", where anything good in their own eyes by their own parameters is justified and everything they deem "evil" needs to be destroyed.
No. History is history. It's not there to be agreed with or disagreed with - it's there to be learned from.
coollino
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I'm confused with his constant obsession with pyramids etc. It seems it's impossible for him to talk solely about the statue.
ForeverBlue92
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Indeed.
Also, how Islamic State systematically destroyed Syrian heritage.
Destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Again, done because they believed it was right to do so, in name of an ideology.
People will now be outraged that I'm comparing the two, but here's the thing - they are the exact same action, done for a set motivation. The problem with modern society is this ridiculous view of "good vs. evil", where anything good in their own eyes by their own parameters is justified and everything they deem "evil" needs to be destroyed.
No. History is history. It's not there to be agreed with or disagreed with - it's there to be learned from.
Spot on - exactly why we need proper action this weekend by the authorities. You have a minority of authoritarians running about during a global pandemic not only potentially spreading a deadly virus but smashing and damaging whatever THEY deem fit.
Again, for the 1000th time is my point entirely.
Statues are a monument to an individual.
This thread is turning into a bizarre time loop now.
Shevin Keedy
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To be honest I think this Tubey fellow has the run of things here. He seems to be one of the few who is speaking like a true historian. It really is all about context.
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