Tubey the grand fence sitter: "I don't agree with what they say, but I'll defend to the death their right to say it"
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That the message isn't working and it's polluted. You can't fight racism by defacing statues, because you don't win hearts and minds.
Instead of labelling thousands of people as suddenly racist, perhaps take the fact it happened on board and why it happened. Some introspection. Approach the situation differently, because BLM has achieved nothing and actively done societal harm because of a message corrupted by political extremism.
TN Toffee
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I agree with you that there is considerable nuance to this discussion, and not everyone who opposes players taking a knee is doing so because they are racist. However, I’m pretty confident saying that 95%+ of those who feel compelled to go out of their way to proactively boo them while doing so are.
Fence sitting? Hardly!
Pro-Remain, anti-Corbyn, anti-racist, anti-transactivism, pro-LGBT, pro-women's rights, anti-religion, anti-BLM...
I'm not a fence sitter; I just take each subject on its' own merits and refuse to think the way I'm supposed to think because I support something similar.
Being anti-racist doesn't mean I have to be pro-BLM for example, and that's the distinction loads just don't understand.
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Yeah, it's black people and victims of racism who should have some introspection rather than the people who can't work out why they are being repeatedly called racist
Take it in the context of a pandemic lockdown, where people who disagree strongly with the politics of BLM have seen it propogated on their TV screens each and every week, in every sport, with no counter discussion, no challenge to their views, nothing.
And suddenly they have an outlet to speak.
In normal times, I'd agree with you. But these aren't normal times.
Someone asked me if I'd boo. No, not personally - I reserve that for Gylfi Sigurdsson personally. But I have sympathy for those that do, because there's been a constant, non-stop ideological slavishness to this subject from the press and media for months on end without reply.
They're not, they're taking a knee before a football game
Oh ffs, I'm oot. You win Tubes. Hopefully black footballers see the error of their ways and see that the completely informed people booing them just want some introspection and to be listened to
'Kin hell.
Err... bit of a swing and a miss there.
It feels you typed that line before reading bud.
dead_soft
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Err... bit of a swing and a miss there.
It feels you typed that line before reading bud.
Sure, you have very progressive attitudes as we can see in this thread
Yes, I don't go down the checklist and tick off EVERY progressive box like you do. Well done sir. You're a perfect soldier, obedience without question.
The irony of you telling me I "wait" before holding an opinion on something before an "establishment" says what to think is just staggering. Truly sensational.
dead_soft
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I'm not that progressive really, on the left but not wildly. Your views, as evidenced in this thread, are those that aim to keep a status quo. But it's getting derailed on to a larger political debate so should probably park this.
TN Toffee
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I can’t speak to the mindset of people in the UK as fans are allowed back into stadiums, but I’ll offer an observation from the US, as a lot of places here never stopped allowing fans at events. The people who are inclined to attend a sporting event mid-pandemic are overwhelmingly cut from the pro-Trump, anti-mask, anti-social justice mold. This will probably continue to be an issue if that’s largely the same type of folks that are willing to go back to stadiums in the UK right now.
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