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[dead_soft]

Ha... let me guess, everyone and anyone who booed taking the knee are 100% racist with no ambiguity whatsoever right?

Don't know why I'm even asking actually, of course they are in your world.

Ah ha what a framing device you’ve used.

There may be some who have been falsely lead to believe that this was some huge anti-Marxist booing but the anger was stoked up by racists

But hey, you’ll try and see both sides as long as both those sides conform to your world view.

 

[Tubey]

You really think they booed it out of anything that wasn’t veiled with racism?

I appreciate where you’re trying to come from with a lot of your arguments but sometimes you can come out swinging for the wrong team.

The alternative explanation is thousands of people suddenly became rabid racists. That's not plausible.

No, for me I think Millwall fans (London fans in general, West Ham fans booed too) are more nationalist and took exception to riots in the capital and defacing national icons like Churchill and Nelson. They saw race as the cover to stop all criticism of their actions. I think the country as a whole is generally centre-right (hence perpetual Tory rule), and they took exception to "abolish the police", "destroy capitalism" and so on too.

I honestly believe only a minority were booing due to outright racism.

 

[dead_soft]

The alternative explanation is thousands of people suddenly became rabid racists. That's not plausible.

No, for me I think Millwall fans (London fans in general, West Ham fans booed too) are more nationalist and took exception to riots in the capital and defacing national icons like Churchill and Nelson. They saw race as the cover to stop all criticism of their actions. I think the country as a whole is generally centre-right (hence perpetual Tory rule), and they took exception to "abolish the police", "destroy capitalism" and so on too.

I honestly believe only a minority were booing due to outright racism.

Yeah, furious at Max Aaron’s demands to strip police of all their funding

 

[Tubey]

Ah ha what a framing device you’ve used.

There may be some who have been falsely lead to believe that this was some huge anti-Marxist booing but the anger was stoked up by racists

But hey, you’ll try and see both sides as long as both those sides conform to your world view.

How did they do that then?

2,000 strangers chosen by ballot, but about five Millwall fans who are racist and have psychic communication powers pre-planned it then by the power of mental suggestion or something?

Amazing.

 

[dead_soft]

How did they do that then?

2,000 strangers chosen by ballot, but about five Millwall fans who are racist and have psychic communication powers pre-planned it then by the power of mental suggestion or something?

Amazing.

Bizarre take from a man currently posting on an Internet forum that’ll be read by a good chunk of the Everton fans who go to Goodison...

Amazing you think there would be only 5 Millwall fans that are racist.

The idea that the taking of the knee is a support for Marxism or defunding the police rather than a small gesture for equality is stoked by liars and racists who hope useful idiots can perpetuate this and it’s pretty easy for that to lead to 2000 people in a crowd booing

 

[Prevenger17]

I think they've set back progress towards their aims by a good 10-20 years through what they're doing.

Jaysus

 

[Tubey]

Yeah, furious at Max Aaron’s demands to strip police of all their funding

That's like saying you can vote Tory for one policy idea and ignore all the rest. Not your problem.

No, you make the gesture, you own the full package. You take a knee, knowing what the gesture entails, then you support BLM and everything that comes along with it.

You can't make that go away by saying you DON'T mean that, just as you can't say "oh, I'm not voting for you to make massive benefit cuts, privatise the NHS and smash the poor, I'm only voting to stop Corbyn getting in, don't do any nasty stuff when in power please Boris boohoo"

 

[Charro]

The alternative explanation is thousands of people suddenly became rabid racists. That's not plausible.

No, for me I think Millwall fans (London fans in general, West Ham fans booed too) are more nationalist and took exception to riots in the capital and defacing national icons like Churchill and Nelson. They saw race as the cover to stop all criticism of their actions. I think the country as a whole is generally centre-right (hence perpetual Tory rule), and they took exception to "abolish the police", "destroy capitalism" and so on too.

I honestly believe only a minority were booing due to outright racism.

I think you’re incredibly naive to think that myself.

If somebody disagreed with the BLM movement and organisation out of a place of other than racism they’d have the moral fibre not to boo the gesture because they’d know how it would come across and the type of person they’d be compared to.

The people that did boo did it out of a place of racism and annoyance that black people are being allowed a voice that goes against everything the believe in.

Maybe I’m in the wrong, but I’m pretty confident that 2,000 millwall fans, given their history booed the gesture out of nothing but blatant racism.

 

[dead_soft]

That's like saying you can vote Tory for one policy idea and ignore all the rest. Not your problem.

No, you make the gesture, you own the full package. You take a knee, knowing what the gesture entails, then you support BLM and everything that comes along with it.

You can't make that go away by saying you DON'T mean that, just as you can't say "oh, I'm not voting for you to make massive benefit cuts, privatise the NHS and smash the poor, I'm only voting to stop Corbyn getting in, don't do any nasty stuff when in power please Boris boohoo"

It’s exactly what people do when they vote.

And Premie League players taking the knee has NOTHING to do with any of the stuff you mentioned. They make have crossover support, they may have come from a similar place but they are far apart. Your odd desire to chuck any slightly progressive gestures of politics together to discredit them makes your arguments pretty silly.

 

[Tubey]

Jaysus

Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll

Organisers of BLM say findings show movement has exposed pre-existing fault lines

www.theguardian.com

That poll doesn't lie. We'd made massive progress since the 70s/80s, anyone denying that is nuts - and now we're seeing racial tensions akin to that era.

And for what? What's been achieved? Genuine question, because I haven't got a clue - if BLM isn't about winning hearts and minds and the majority of people think it's done more harm than good, then what's the point of it?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

How did they do that then?

2,000 strangers chosen by ballot, but about five Millwall fans who are racist and have psychic communication powers pre-planned it then by the power of mental suggestion or something?

Amazing.

I think you can disagree with the whole ceremony and palaver of it all and sit quietly. If you’re booing as loudly as you can, you’re making a aggressive and vehement statement that can only be construed as being racist.
A very educated guess would tell me that the booers were all white and all racist

 

[Tubey]

I think you’re incredibly naive to think that myself.

If somebody disagreed with the BLM movement and organisation out of a place of other than racism they’d have the moral fibre not to boo the gesture because they’d know how it would come across and the type of person they’d be compared to.

The people that did boo did it out of a place of racism and annoyance that black people are being allowed a voice that goes against everything the believe in.

Maybe I’m in the wrong, but I’m pretty confident that 2,000 millwall fans, given their history booed the gesture out of nothing but blatant racism.

Or they believe in free speech and expressing their genuinely held view. Why should they be silenced?

 

[dead_soft]

Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll

Organisers of BLM say findings show movement has exposed pre-existing fault lines

www.theguardian.com

That poll doesn't lie. We'd made massive progress since the 70s/80s, anyone denying that is nuts - and now we're seeing racial tensions akin to that era.

And for what? What's been achieved? Genuine question, because I haven't got a clue - if BLM isn't about winning hearts and minds and the majority of people think it's done more harm than good, then what's the point of it?

Because progressive politics and actions hits up against resistance is not a reason to not keep pushing for it. A lot of people in history have told disenfranchised people to keep quiet as they’re harming their cause.

 

[Charro]

Or they believe in free speech and expressing their genuinely held view. Why should they be silenced?

Would you boo it if you were at the game?

 

[Prevenger17]

And for what? What's been achieved? Genuine question, because I haven't got a clue - if BLM isn't about winning hearts and minds and the majority of people think it's done more harm than good, then what's the point of it?

Racism still exists. It's still in sport, it's still in society and imo it's on the up. You can project all sorts of reasons people would boo players doing what I think is the most passive, innocuous gesture before a game, but for me it's fairly simple. If you don't support it or don't like it, just don't do anything. The players are expressing solidarity for something they believe is an issue that needs to be addressed. To ask you your own question, what does 'kin booing it achieve? What's the point?