He’ll claim the moral high ground now he’s been called a racist. That’s how it goes these days.
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He’ll claim the moral high ground now he’s been called a racist. That’s how it goes these days.
That reply wasn't to you mate, I don't think you're a racist. Armin is practically a grand wizard though
Mad how so many of the people saying 'politics have no place in football' are the same ones that were kicking off over James McClean not wearing a poppy isn't it? Not aimed at any one on here btw, just a general observation.
Just because some people try to politicise a message, it doesn't make that message political by default.
Just because some people try to politicise a message, it doesn't make that message political by default.
ForeverBlue92
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No worries mate
arminisgod
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Bore off. You know nothing about me.
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Ha ha ha. I voted to leave the EU and said I can't stand Islam.
That makes me a racist. Idiot.
Yes it is. It blatantly is. You can't separate the politics from the message.
Rainbow laces have one message. Kick It Out has one message. BLM, and taking the knee, absolutely, totally does not have one message.
Football made the mistake by allowing support of BLM as an organisation, tried to change the message when they realised it but it was too late - the gesture is now seen as a support for an extreme political ideology.
The fact the Millwall players had to come out and say they weren't doing it for political reasons means that, obviously, the gesture is political and it's an attempt to detach the gesture and the message. Which is impossible. It's like waving a Swastika flag and saying you're celebrating the positive message it had before the 1930s and everything else it's associated with should be ignored. It'd be preposterous. The image and the message is intertwined.
Vast swathes of this country don't agree with the rioting, defacing statues and the extreme politics of BLM as a movement. Those people aren't automatically racist. They are not one and the same. The sooner people stop patronising people who hold that view, listen and understand it, the better. Because race relations are being flushed down the toilet.
Taking the knee needs to stop and honest conversations instead of ideological bullying need to begin. People shouldn't be afraid of being banned from football grounds and losing their jobs because of ideological fascism.
Learn to listen to opposing views.
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Mr Self Awareness strikes again
It’s just a symbol of recognition that people of different ethnicities have been and are still discriminated against. I dunno why people get so worked up about it to be honest. It’s a positive message.
I do for two reasons.
First, that isn't all they're doing for. Some might, but the "cause" is much more wide and extremely political. But I've covered that above.
But secondly and more importantly, I just find it stupid because it's self-defeating. I think they've set back progress towards their aims by a good 10-20 years through what they're doing. There's evidence of that too - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...as-increased-racial-tension-55-say-in-uk-poll
Needlessly exclusionary, negative and antagonistic. Support for the protests in the aftermath of George Floyd's death was nearly universal. It's now rapidly on the slide as a result of their actions.
Ha... let me guess, everyone and anyone who booed taking the knee are 100% racist with no ambiguity whatsoever right?
Don't know why I'm even asking actually, of course they are in your world.
You really think they booed it out of anything that wasn’t veiled with racism?
I appreciate where you’re trying to come from with a lot of your arguments but sometimes you can come out swinging for the wrong team.
So a movement like BLM are responsible for people having less support for a man who was choked to death by the police?
Should we just pretend everything is ok again? I don’t know what it must feel like to be discriminated against like that. Has happened to every person I know who isn’t white though. Going to make you snap at some point.
I have to say, if I was at a match and the guy next me started booing loudly when players are kneeling. I’m going to make a fairly safe assumption that they’re racist.
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