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[ChesterBlue]

Becoming?

This is a good point

 

[TN Toffee]

Seeing reactions to it on social media has arguably been more distressing than that group of fans booing it. The UK really is becoming a racist little sh*thole of an island

I was scrolling through a Reddit thread about it, and the reactions seemed to be a mixed bag. Opinions ran the gamut from Millwall fans who condemned the booing in the strongest possible terms to others who supported it because they were tired of having “political bull****” forced down their throats. I just can’t imagine a scenario where I’d feel the need to boo, or altogether stop watching a sport like many American fans have done, simply because athletes take a knee for less than five seconds.

There is a fair and nuanced debate that I think can be had as to what tangible benefit there is to players still taking a knee, or if players in England doing it makes sense when blatant police brutality is more of an American problem. That said, any Millwall fan with an IQ above room temperature HAS to be aware of the negative perception of their supporters, and that booing players kneeling for social justice at their first possible opportunity was only ever going to received one way. I don’t even live in the UK, but I’m familiar enough with the football landscape that if I had been asked to guess which club’s fans had booed players kneeling, Millwall would have certainly been one of my first two or three guesses.

 

[peteblue]

I was scrolling through a Reddit thread about it, and the reactions seemed to be a mixed bag. Opinions ran the gamut from Millwall fans who condemned the booing in the strongest possible terms to others who supported it because they were tired of having “political bull****” forced down their throats. I just can’t imagine a scenario where I’d feel the need to boo, or altogether stop watching a sport like many American fans have done, simply because athletes take a knee for less than five seconds.

There is a fair and nuanced debate that I think can be had as to what tangible benefit there is to players still taking a knee, or if players in England doing it makes sense when blatant police brutality is more of an American problem. That said, any Millwall fan with an IQ above room temperature HAS to be aware of the negative perception of their supporters, and that booing players kneeling for social justice at their first possible opportunity was only ever going to received one way. I don’t even live in the UK, but I’m familiar enough with the football landscape that if I had been asked to guess which club’s fans had booed players kneeling, Millwall would have certainly been one of my first two or three guesses.

as night follows day.....

 

[LostLegend]

Horrible, knuckle dragging arseholes.

 

[Kenshin]

Horrible, knuckle dragging arseholes.

The booing doesn't necessarily mean racist though.

Not wanting this take the knee thing is odd now. Not for the act (which is a whole other discussion) but that it's do it or you are racist. Like there is no middle ground in anyone talking about it , don't like it? Racist then.

That kinda suggests it's forcing something onto people in the name of a cause and attacking anyone who may question it. It's not teaching anything to anyone as it reflects current affairs (American current affairs no less) and it's not changing anything as many have said including les ferninand.

To what extent does it become an empty gesture? Many celebrated footballers in this country are black , there is things in place for black coaches and the media hire black former players. Again that's a whole other debate though to what extent it is.

There isn't any point in doing it if you aren't actively doing something behind the scenes. Personally I wouldnt have an issue with players doing it if they were forcing through change but they don't seem to be.

Plus I'd argue there are far greater causes the players could be highlighting every single game for the benefit of sports in general, homosexuality for one.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The booing doesn't necessarily mean racist though.

Not wanting this take the knee thing is odd now. Not for the act (which is a whole other discussion) but that it's do it or you are racist. Like there is no middle ground in anyone talking about it , don't like it? Racist then.

That kinda suggests it's forcing something onto people in the name of a cause and attacking anyone who may question it. It's not teaching anything to anyone as it reflects current affairs (American current affairs no less) and it's not changing anything as many have said including les ferninand.

To what extent does it become an empty gesture? Many celebrated footballers in this country are black , there is things in place for black coaches and the media hire black former players. Again that's a whole other debate though to what extent it is.

There isn't any point in doing it if you aren't actively doing something behind the scenes. Personally I wouldnt have an issue with players doing it if they were forcing through change but they don't seem to be.

Plus I'd argue there are far greater causes the players could be highlighting every single game for the benefit of sports in general, homosexuality for one.

My problem with it is politics should be kept out of football. End of the day regardless of the message BLM is a political movement (mainly in the US granted).

Where does it end? Can Merseyside clubs promote socialist parties/anti Tory messages before games? Can Tory clubs down South wear Bojo wigs in support of Tories etc etc

Keep Politics out of football it ruins/divides everything it touches

 

[roydo]

My problem with it is politics should be kept out of football. End of the day regardless of the message BLM is a political movement (mainly in the US granted).

Where does it end? Can Merseyside clubs promote socialist parties/anti Tory messages before games? Can Tory clubs down South wear Bojo wigs in support of Tories etc etc

Keep Politics out of football it ruins/divides everything it touches

It isnt politics though. Not what the players are doing.

Its a symbolic act that marks their support for anti discrimination. Like the rainbow laces they wear at times. And that aint booed.

Booing it shows a level of ignorance that is reserved for ignorant racists.

 

[Kenshin]

My problem with it is politics should be kept out of football. End of the day regardless of the message BLM is a political movement (mainly in the US granted).

Where does it end? Can Merseyside clubs promote socialist parties/anti Tory messages before games? Can Tory clubs down South wear Bojo wigs in support of Tories etc etc

Keep Politics out of football it ruins/divides everything it touches

The whole BLM thing for me has transformed into exactly what many thought it would become , a statement with very little action outside of America.

It's a deeper discussion than this that I'm sure has been had before. I just see all this taking a knee meaningless of nothing is being done about it. It's being done whilst every single game is being broadcast around the world so every single game you see it happen. I haven't heard in the last 6 months of anything in the game being done to go along with it.

Surely at the heart of BLM it is to instigate change , where is the change?

 

[Prevenger17]

It isnt politics though. Not what the players are doing.

Its a symbolic act that marks their support for anti discrimination. Like the rainbow laces they wear at times. And that aint booed.

Booing it shows a level of ignorance that is reserved for ignorant racists.

Aye, I don't understand the antipathy towards it. You don't have to agree with the sentiment, but to actively boo it is clearly moronic. They're kneeling to highlight the ongoing struggle against discrimination and racism in the game and in society, who tf would have a problem with that?



...Millwall fans tbf

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It isnt politics though. Not what the players are doing.

Its a symbolic act that marks their support for anti discrimination. Like the rainbow laces they wear at times. And that aint booed.

Booing it shows a level of ignorance that is reserved for ignorant racists.

I personally wouldn't boo it - but BLM IS a political movement, whilst it has an anti racist message it still is a political movement (in the US largely) and calls for things such as defunding the police which for me at a time of Tory austerity cuts is a bonkers thing to be suggesting when front line services have already been cut to the bone.

The League has enough anti racist campaigns such as kick it out to not need to continue with taking the knee - it was understandable at first but now as Les Ferdinand said its becoming an empty gesture.

We going to keep doing it for how long? 1, 3, 5, 10 years?

 

[Prevenger17]

The League has enough anti racist campaigns such as kick it out to not need to continue with taking the knee - it was understandable at first but now as Les Ferdinand said its becoming an empty gesture.

Pack up your things BLM, it's over. Les Ferdinand says so.

 

[roydo]

I personally wouldn't boo it - but BLM IS a political movement, whilst it has an anti racist message it still is a political movement (in the US largely) and calls for things such as defunding the police which for me at a time of Tory austerity cuts is a bonkers thing to be suggesting when front line services have already been cut to the bone.

The League has enough anti racist campaigns such as kick it out to not need to continue with taking the knee - it was understandable at first but now as Les Ferdinand said its becoming an empty gesture.

We going to keep doing it for how long? 1, 3, 5, 10 years?

I dont think one PL player is taking the knee in support of the BLM political ideals. Most wont have a clue, lets face it.

But as a symbolic stand (sic) with their BAME colleagues it is powerful.

Booing it shows racist ignorance.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

The booing doesn't necessarily mean racist though.

Not wanting this take the knee thing is odd now. Not for the act (which is a whole other discussion) but that it's do it or you are racist. Like there is no middle ground in anyone talking about it , don't like it? Racist then.

That kinda suggests it's forcing something onto people in the name of a cause and attacking anyone who may question it. It's not teaching anything to anyone as it reflects current affairs (American current affairs no less) and it's not changing anything as many have said including les ferninand.

To what extent does it become an empty gesture? Many celebrated footballers in this country are black , there is things in place for black coaches and the media hire black former players. Again that's a whole other debate though to what extent it is.

There isn't any point in doing it if you aren't actively doing something behind the scenes. Personally I wouldnt have an issue with players doing it if they were forcing through change but they don't seem to be.

Plus I'd argue there are far greater causes the players could be highlighting every single game for the benefit of sports in general, homosexuality for one.

Hence the rainbow laces this weekend.

It is possible to raise awareness of more than one issue at the same time.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I dont think one PL player is taking the knee in support of the BLM political ideals. Most wont have a clue, lets face it.

But as a symbolic stand (sic) with their BAME colleagues it is powerful.

Booing it shows racist ignorance.

I agree a large amount of those who boo it will likely be your stereotypical far right numbskull - but I think if a poll was done it would be a lot more people than just the racists who think it needs to end now.

I personally am not that fussed about it but if I had to take a side I would say get rid as all it will inevitably do is lose the message it originally intended and anyone who disagrees will be labelled a racist etc.

Football can be heated enough without chucking politics/religion into it. I remember when Guardiola got in hot water for wearing a Catalonian independence badge so it does feel like the league is starting to pick and choose what political message they allow to be given airtime.

For me get a thank you Rashford shirt campaign going but they wont allow it as feeding starving kids isn't a sexy enough bandwagon to jump on.

 

[Prevenger17]

I personally am not that fussed about it

Lol