Current Affairs The Landmarks of Slavery;

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Charro said:
The council aren’t putting everything else on hold for these plaques you know.

It’ll cost a few hundred pound at most and it’ll educate anyone that reads them of the streets history.

What the council do to help the homeless is completely irrelevant to this.
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Dont get me wrong im not saying its a bad thing, but im of the opinion any funds in the councils already stretched coffers should be going towards helping the most vulnerable people get by during these awful last few months and not on populist nonsense.

When you consider that had a
Person not been killed by a cop in another country that this wouldnt even be getting discussed shows ultimately how reactionary it is without any real benefit to BAME or other groups in their everyday lives.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Not completely related obviously but the amount of homeless and impoverished residents of our city that are suffering everyday many who no doubt are BAME and instead of the council and government doing more to help them we are more absolved in arsing around with populist nonsense such as this.

How is this going to help anyone? If people need educating on the slave trade then read books, visit the slavery museum, educate yourselves.

You would think during a global pandemic thats killed over 800,000 and hundreds of thousands more out of work and livelihoods lost that the human race would have grown some sense of perspective and instead of focusing on the past actually try to help those in the present have a better standard of living.
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It could be suggested that people don't do this, though, even when they repeatedly comment on it without having the first clue about it.
 
Tubey said:
The hope is that these plaques are comprehensive enough to do just that and not just be stupid propaganda.

You're right that it isn't exactly important, but I have no issue with adding more history to things like this. The problem I have is when they take history away.
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It is important, though. What history could be taken away by this?
 
Tubey said:
Read what I said again please.
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I did, it just seems you're suggesting that history could be taken away. I'm not sure where that has come in to this in order for it to be raised. Or was it an irrelevant point? I'm just a bit confused about why you stated about history being taken away, which it isn't being and earlier have said that you think the plaques should include the historical figures achievements, when this isn't what the plaques are meant for?
 
It does make me smile when I hear those who wish to support the keeping of statues, symbols etc. which are seen as offensive when looked at in the current climate saying “you can’t rewrite history” or “you can’t whitewash history”. I haven’t heard anyone wishing to either rewrite or whitewash history, surely they are asking for the opposite, they want history to be told is its entirety, good and bad. I know when I was taught history there was very little bad.
Surely erecting a statue or indeed a symbol is about the glorification of a person or an event, if in hindsight that person or event falls short of the standards we now hold then anything which glorifies it or them should be removed and stored or displayed out of the public gaze.
If an athlete is now found to have cheated then his or her records are expunged, is that rewriting history or is it righting a wrong.
Personally I couldn’t care less about statues or songs, I tend to think I am what I am by an accident of birth, I wasn’t given a choice of where I wanted to be born, what does bother me is that in these highly decisive days there are those who will exploit such things to further division.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Not sure what thread to mention this, but Milwall fans booing players taking the knee is beyond the pale: Like a few pundits have said, shouldn’t be hard identifying the fans ...
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From the video I saw, it seemed like it was more than just a small handful of people booing. Did this happen anywhere else today, or was it just Millwall? I know there were boos at one NFL game in Kansas City back at the beginning of the season during a moment of silence that was being observed for social justice, but don’t remember if that occurred anywhere else.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Not sure what thread to mention this, but Milwall fans booing players taking the knee is beyond the pale: Like a few pundits have said, shouldn’t be hard identifying the fans ...
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Seeing reactions to it on social media has arguably been more distressing than that group of fans booing it. The UK really is becoming a racist little sh*thole of an island
 
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