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Hang on, I sent a direct reply to someone asking about who started slavery and I replied BLM won't bother with that as they would have been black. Which they were


Aye, I have seen you blame Africa and black people for slavery, which is quite the insight into how you group people in your head. But you were responding to a point about a Francis Drake statue. And besides, your point about the African slave trade is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I'd wager you have no idea about the African slave trade, any names of those who were involved, its historical context and are just saying it for no other reason other than you don't like the BLM protests which are specifically trying to correct a current problem in society as they see it. You're talking complete pipe basically
 
Aye, I have seen you blame Africa and black people for slavery, which is quite the insight into how you group people in your head. But you were responding to a point about a Francis Drake statue. And besides, your point about the African slave trade is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I'd wager you have no idea about the African slave trade, any names of those who were involved, its historical context and are just saying it for no other reason other than you don't like the BLM protests which are specifically trying to correct a current problem in society as they see it. You're talking complete pipe basically
I think it became perfectly clear when he said “a few English and Portuguese lads rocked up”.
 

I liked the bit about the dog being a drinking buddy as they would also have RSPCA and many other animal right groups hounding them over the welfare of the dog, can just imagine the outcry if this was Red arrows in 2020. And of course the alcohol aspect is very much frowned upon and questioned now in the Armed forces.

"Kris Hendrix, campaigns manager at the RAF Museum, said the dog was a "drinking buddy" for squadron members and would consume litres of beer before passing out."
 
The city have already said that the statue will be in a local museum soon, including the damage, to continue the story about slavery, and how this city has at times, been shaped by it.

Said from the beginning this statue toppling is going to be a great interactive learning tool. Something that state educational policy cannot replicate ever.
 
The Dambusters Dog story is brilliant. I liked the Tory MP Edward Leigh's remark that the dog "was killed while he was on a raid risking his life to defend our country.”

That was some heroic pooch! If only the dogs of today were so minded instead of crapping all over the park and chewing up everything in the house.
 
The Dambusters Dog story is brilliant. I liked the Tory MP Edward Leigh's remark that the dog "was killed while he was on a raid risking his life to defend our country.”

That was some heroic pooch! If only the dogs of today were so minded instead of crapping all over the park and chewing up everything in the house.

If we're going to erase all dogs from our history where will it end? Will be erase dinosaurs? That's what they want isn't it? To tear down Dippy because he didn't oppose the slave trade. Sick.
 
Two questions:

Who is the black person or people that started the slave trade?

Where are the statues of these people?

I don't know the answer to either so please enlighten me

It is a cultural reality that isn't a widely used part of the BLM narrative. Ghana last year held 'the year of return' as a part of their strategy to open the country up to African Americans who might resent what West Africans did to their ancestors. There is plenty documented about the issue.




 
It is a cultural reality that isn't a widely used part of the BLM narrative. Ghana last year held 'the year of return' as a part of their strategy to open the country up to African Americans who might resent what West Africans did to their ancestors. There is plenty documented about the issue.




You’ve completely missed the point of my post. @Prevenger17 put it more succinctly than I could on the page before this.

But I’ll put it simply here. There are no statues of African slave traders in the UK hence BLM are not targeting them and pulling them down.
 
You’ve completely missed the point of my post. @Prevenger17 put it more succinctly than I could on the page before this.

But I’ll put it simply here. There are no statues of African slave traders in the UK hence BLM are not targeting them and pulling them down.



Aye it's fairly typical whataboutism, you see a lot of it in any thread about modern social issues.

I'm not big on toppling statues personally, and think we need to take the rough with the smooth when it comes to history. So I think there's plenty of arguments against it. That there was a slave trade in Africa isn't one of them, and it basically amounts to saying "but black people did this other thing.... "

Maybe I need my own fence sitting @Tubey style statue
 
You’ve completely missed the point of my post. @Prevenger17 put it more succinctly than I could on the page before this.

But I’ll put it simply here. There are no statues of African slave traders in the UK hence BLM are not targeting them and pulling them down.

Apologies mate, when you asked about black involvement in the slave trade it seemed that you were not clear that they were the first link in the chain.
 
Aye it's fairly typical whataboutism, you see a lot of it in any thread about modern social issues.

I'm not big on toppling statues personally, and think we need to take the rough with the smooth when it comes to history. So I think there's plenty of arguments against it. That there was a slave trade in Africa isn't one of them, and it basically amounts to saying "but black people did this other thing.... "

Maybe I need my own fence sitting @Tubey style statue

If you are referring to me or the articles posted you'll see no tu quoque logic in my statement of fact.

Apologies if you were not referring to me.
 
So you're saying the actions of BLM have made you bordering on racist? That's quite a take
Not quite mate, but I see how you read it as such. My comment was meant to be more about the polarizing effect of the internet when it comes to conversations and it's binary nature (i'll be honest I initially went for 'black and white nature' there but figured I should change it :))
I say I don't agree with the illegal destruction of statues and that the people responsible should face criminal justice to people, and I am suddenly treated like a right wing spokesman despite agreeing with the main principle of the BLM movement, or worse find myself backtracking on what I say because any time I reference anything considered even remotely offensive to black people right now, it is almost sacrilegious. It's hard to argue with one part of a debate but agree with others as it quickly becomes pick a side on the internet.

I will say it again, I think breaking the law and also breaking government guidance on the curfew is not only irresponsible, it's dangerous, wrong and divisive, and BLM should want to be inclusive, not divisive.

Just keep it legit and respect that a person may not be defined by the racist acts he has done and BLM will continue to get public support and hopefully effect some change. Hopefully legally!

That all being said, I am now going to walk a fine line and bring up some big things in the past that could easily rub people up the wrong way, for which I apologize, not my intent but...

Seriously though.. Churchill's statue?

Let me explain why I am appalled by this so much... Churchill's legacy is not about slavery, it's the opposite, it's about freedom, on a global level....
He was by all accounts not a pleasant man, a drunk and many other things too, that's not what the statue represents, because f.. me he did a good job in the 1940's when it was most needed, and that's what we celebrate, not only the man's bravery, but what it meant and still means.
We were minutes away from surrendering in the face of impossible odds before the war with us even began, but instead he went full Leaonidis on the Nazi's and we ultimately won with a lot of help from our friends, but he should always be a reminder to us all of what can be achieved if we are brave enough to stand up to what is wrong in the world.
All of us, regardless of ethnicity, in this country and many others, owe him our thanks, in particular though certain minorities of which black people were one of the chosen ones, because nothing Churchill did would of been close to what the Nazi's would of done.

Admittedly taken from Wiki, but this extract regarding the Nazi's take on race, for me explains brilliantly, why I feel BLM should, in particular, have left this mans statue alone:

At the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans were Jews, ethnic Poles, ethnic Serbs and other Slavic people, Romani, and black people.[16]

Ask a Jewish person what being bottom of the Nazi regime felt like! That NOT happening to the rest of the world is what that statue represents.

Also just to point out, I apologize to any German's I have offended here, but please take note that I have been careful to use Nazi's and not Germans, and I am being realistic, it's easy to think that I am flippantly throwing the hollocaust into an argument to score points, but had they won, that's basically a list of people who would likely of been systemically destroyed, as they had gone a long way into doing with the Jewish people.

2 wrongs don't make a right, stopping an evil like the Nazis, does't make it right for him to have a history of racism, but neither does adding a 3rd wrong make a right, and the destruction of this monument to what can be achieved when doing the right thing and standing up to those that are wrong, by a group trying to give of the message they are doing the same thing is as stupid as them congregating during covid imo.

Screw the backlash to this post, I am officially getting annoyed the more I think about it.
 
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