Current Affairs The Landmarks of Slavery;

[roydo]

Just heard that Cass Business School will no longer be called Cass Business School. Apparently John Cass, whose educational foundation donated a chunk of money to the school, obtained some of his wealth via the slave trade.

Uh oh. The Cass Carnaby Five are in deep trouble.

(Captain Scarlet reference btw).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Uh oh. The Cass Carnaby Five are in deep trouble.

(Captain Scarlet reference btw).

You do feel it's a bit daft though tbh. Cass was indelibly linked to the slave trade (back in 1700 or other), whereas people seem perfectly happy for Oxford's business school to be named after Wafiq Said, a very real and current Saudi arms dealer (who I'm sure @peteblue is familiar with).

 

[roydo]

You do feel it's a bit daft though tbh. Cass was indelibly linked to the slave trade (back in 1700 or other), whereas people seem perfectly happy for Oxford's business school to be named after Wafiq Said, a very real and current Saudi arms dealer (who I'm sure @peteblue is familiar with).

I think its incredibly stupid to judge folk from 300 years ago by our current moral and cultural values.

Like I said, way back when everyones favourite slave trader, Edward Colston, was lobbed in Bristol docks, he isnt, and wasnt, celebrated cos he was a slave trader, but cos he was one of many Merchant Ventures that contributed to the City.

Their legacy is still with us.

As we are notionally on a football forum, its like when some pundit is asked whether X player from 1970 is better than Y player at Manchester City now, the reply is always "you cant compare different eras."

Its kinda the same.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think its incredibly stupid to judge folk from 300 years ago by our current moral and cultural values.

Like I said, way back when everyones favourite slave trader, Edward Colston, was lobbed in Bristol docks, he isnt, and wasnt, celebrated cos he was a slave trader, but cos he was one of many Merchant Ventures that contributed to the City.

Their legacy is still with us.

As we are notionally on a football forum, its like when some pundit is asked whether X player from 1970 is better than Y player at Manchester City now, the reply is always "you cant compare different eras."

Its kinda the same.

I'm inclined to agree. Cass' foundation primarily looks to help disadvantaged children with their education. Should that work cease because Cass earned his fortune in part due to slavery 300 years ago? I've heard similar calls for Guys hospital to have its name changed as well for similar reasons, despite the hospital primarily being created to provide healthcare to the poor.

 

[roydo]

I'm inclined to agree. Cass' foundation primarily looks to help disadvantaged children with their education. Should that work cease because Cass earned his fortune in part due to slavery 300 years ago?

Of course not.

You never know, in 300 years time it may be the norm to think that folk who made their billions from phones or computers were the devil.

So the Bill Gates foundation, (if it is still going), would be blanked. That sounds ridiculous, but for a relatively brief period of time, the slave trade was seen as acceptable.

 

[Papa Shango]

York Minster thinking about tearing down the statue of Constantine, apparently he may have had slaves. The world is going barking mad. Anyone and I mean absolutely anyone alive today, if they had lived 3/4/5/6/7/8/900 years ago, would a) have been racist and b) would have owned a slave if they could afford it. And now we have Millenials judging cultures and attitudes that existed a Millennia ago. Until all history is removed and put in a safe room where the precious generation won’t see them and get upset, this madness will continue....

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You know when you say "tearing down"?

You mean removed, right?

(It won't happen anyway...)

 

[Death]

But what about the racist tourism revenue. Last thing the economy needs.

 

[Toffeeslam]

Of course not.

You never know, in 300 years time it may be the norm to think that folk who made their billions from phones or computers were the devil.

So the Bill Gates foundation, (if it is still going), would be blanked. That sounds ridiculous, but for a relatively brief period of time, the slave trade was seen as acceptable.

thing is if your someone who was from the black community and you look up at a statue and you see it’s Saluting someone who profiteered from your ancestors being force to live and work in appalling conditions that's going to be difficult to take.

my view is that someone who profited from the slave trade shouldn’t have a statue of themselves at all in any civilised country.

it’s like cities around Europe having statues of Hitler and saying the holocaust was best part of 100years ago, that simply won’t fly.

by defending the statues of slavers In public parks your simply not understanding how abhorrent slavery is and still happening today in some form or another.

if people are so attached to these relics why not house them in a museum So those who have that racist tendency or just curious about that period can go and look at it there and erect statues of more appropriate persons for the time ?

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Like I said, way back when everyones favourite slave trader, Edward Colston, was lobbed in Bristol docks, he isnt, and wasnt, celebrated cos he was a slave trader, but cos he was one of many Merchant Ventures that contributed to the City.

Are you not overlooking the fact that he was able to contribute to the city because of the very profits he made from being involved with the slave trade?

 

[Death]

Of course not.

You never know, in 300 years time it may be the norm to think that folk who made their billions from phones or computers were the devil.

So the Bill Gates foundation, (if it is still going), would be blanked. That sounds ridiculous, but for a relatively brief period of time, the slave trade was seen as acceptable.

many rich people and companies that have people on low wages will definitely be looked back like we look back as slave owners. I’m certain your prediction will come true.

 

[ilikecheese]

They belong in museums for educational purposes. No place in public places.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Of course not.

You never know, in 300 years time it may be the norm to think that folk who made their billions from phones or computers were the devil.

So the Bill Gates foundation, (if it is still going), would be blanked. That sounds ridiculous, but for a relatively brief period of time, the slave trade was seen as acceptable.

thing is if your someone who was from the black community and you look up at a statue and you see it’s Saluting someone who profiteered from your ancestors being force to live and work in appalling conditions that's going to be difficult to take.

Apologies for putting both posts together but if you look at minerals from conflict affected high-risk areas you'll see disgusting human rights abuses. It is an area that is still trying to get to grips with the issue.

Blood diamonds/tantalum/tin/tungsten/gold and increasingly cobalt from afflicted regions still suffer from slavery and enforced labour, beatings and murder, organised crime and terrorism. The Dodd Frank act was a benchmark in relation to this but is now superseded by the OECD Due Dilligence framework that looks to ensure any supply chain actor and manufacturer has oversight of where and how materials were produced.

If you were someone from the black community and your expressed aim was to be 'woke' to matters then this is happening across developing nations right now.

If you buy gold from the middle east then it will generally not be from the regulated LBMA system and will have come from the black market. Big business such as Apple and Jewellers such as Tyffany have robust policies around due diligence to protect their brand but even these can have spillage. Here is Apples 2020 report

Supply Chain Innovation

Business should be a force for good. Apple supports people and communities in our global supply chain, and works to protect the planet we all share.

www.apple.com

They have to be diligent as the problem is ongoing. Apple recently had to drop 10 refiners because of compliance issues https://www.cips.org/supply-managem...ves-non-compliant-smelters-from-supply-chain/

The reason I raise this is that not all organisations have a robust approach or the capacity to monitor global supply chains. The likes of Dubai based business generally do not care for the origin and abuses that may have been endured in getting the product to them. Similar issues exist in India and China.

Slavery is still a global issue today and peoples time would be better spent addressing these very real issues, in my humble opinion.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You do feel it's a bit daft though tbh. Cass was indelibly linked to the slave trade (back in 1700 or other), whereas people seem perfectly happy for Oxford's business school to be named after Wafiq Said, a very real and current Saudi arms dealer (who I'm sure @peteblue is familiar with).

The wow is for a University being named after a current arms dealer

 

[Barnfred 55]

Apologies for putting both posts together but if you look at minerals from conflict affected high-risk areas you'll see disgusting human rights abuses. It is an area that is still trying to get to grips with the issue.

Blood diamonds/tantalum/tin/tungsten/gold and increasingly cobalt from afflicted regions still suffer from slavery and enforced labour, beatings and murder, organised crime and terrorism. The Dodd Frank act was a benchmark in relation to this but is now superseded by the OECD Due Dilligence framework that looks to ensure any supply chain actor and manufacturer has oversight of where and how materials were produced.

If you were someone from the black community and your expressed aim was to be 'woke' to matters then this is happening across developing nations right now.

If you buy gold from the middle east then it will generally not be from the regulated LBMA system and will have come from the black market. Big business such as Apple and Jewellers such as Tyffany have robust policies around due diligence to protect their brand but even these can have spillage. Here is Apples 2020 report

Supply Chain Innovation

Business should be a force for good. Apple supports people and communities in our global supply chain, and works to protect the planet we all share.

www.apple.com

They have to be diligent as the problem is ongoing. Apple recently had to drop 10 refiners because of compliance issues https://www.cips.org/supply-managem...ves-non-compliant-smelters-from-supply-chain/

The reason I raise this is that not all organisations have a robust approach or the capacity to monitor global supply chains. The likes of Dubai based business generally do not care for the origin and abuses that may have been endured in getting the product to them. Similar issues exist in India and China.

Slavery is still a global issue today and peoples time would be better spent addressing these very real issues, in my humble opinion.

Great post mate.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You do feel it's a bit daft though tbh. Cass was indelibly linked to the slave trade (back in 1700 or other), whereas people seem perfectly happy for Oxford's business school to be named after Wafiq Said, a very real and current Saudi arms dealer (who I'm sure @peteblue is familiar with).

In 300 years time he'll be shown in no uncertain terms how much we don't like arms dealers, despite the trade being outlawed sometime in 2100.