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orly said:
Didn't do anything of the sort re. your final paragraph, as anyone who clicks through these tediously smug embedded links you keep using will see.

Only someone at the most deranged would see this Walton parachute as anything other than Corbyn et al. doing one of there biggest supporters a favour.

But then, you did accuse another Everton supporter of being a S*n reader, so you're probably capable of anything.
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Yet more fact free posting. Anyone can see that you agreed with the premise of Toffeetim's claim there, just as anyone can see that Corbyn has failed to parachute anyone into any safe seat (save one possible example) and anyone can see that I invited you to read the S*n, not that you were a reader of it.

But as I said above, go find another example of Corbyn getting someone into a safe seat.
 
orly said:
Didn't do anything of the sort re. your final paragraph, as anyone who clicks through these tediously smug embedded links you keep using will see.

Only someone at the most deranged would see this Walton parachute as anything other than Corbyn et al. doing one of there biggest supporters a favour.

But then, you did accuse another Everton supporter of being a S*n reader, so you're probably capable of anything.
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Yet more fact free posting. Anyone can see that you agreed with the premise of Toffeetim's claim there, just as anyone can see that Corbyn has failed to parachute anyone into any safe seat (save one possible example) and anyone can see that I invited you to read the S*n, not that you were a reader of it.

But as I said above, go find another example of Corbyn getting someone into a safe seat.
 
tsubaki said:
Yet more fact free posting. Anyone can see that you agreed with the premise of Toffeetim's claim there, just as anyone can see that Corbyn has failed to parachute anyone into any safe seat (save one possible example) and anyone can see that I invited you to read the S*n, not that you were a reader of it.

But as I said above, go find another example of Corbyn getting someone into a safe seat.
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" go read the Sun" and plenty of people pulled you up on it. But they're all wrong and you're right, no doubt. Filth behaviour and you've never even had the decency to admit it.

As mentioned, anyone can click through your smug links and see what got said. And anyone who isn't completely deranged can see that Tom Watson did not set up this McClusky staffer getting the Liverpool Walton seat. Your suggested "reasons" are as fact free as you can get.
 
tsubaki said:
Yet more fact free posting. Anyone can see that you agreed with the premise of Toffeetim's claim there, just as anyone can see that Corbyn has failed to parachute anyone into any safe seat (save one possible example) and anyone can see that I invited you to read the S*n, not that you were a reader of it.

But as I said above, go find another example of Corbyn getting someone into a safe seat.
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Certainly not made up. I saw tons of tweets and comments from Labour members and supporters wanting her de-selected.

Also why you bringing me into something that I see no relevance to whatsoever, and that I wasn't even involved in?
 
orly said:
" go read the Sun" and plenty of people pulled you up on it. But they're all wrong and you're right, no doubt. Filth behaviour and you've never even had the decency to admit it.

As mentioned, anyone can click through your smug links and see what got said. And anyone who isn't completely deranged can see that Tom Watson did not set up this McClusky staffer getting the Liverpool Walton seat. Your suggested "reasons" are as fact free as you can get.
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er - I just admitted what was said above, and on every occasion since I wrote it. "Go read the S*n" does not mean the same as "Go read your S*n".

As for the rest of your post, I again note that you have failed to come up with any evidence to show what I posted was wrong - just descended into your usual comments. McCluskey heads the union that is Labour's biggest donor. Watson has demonstrated his ability to get people into safe seats in this election, including other union-backed candidates. All the Corbyn candidates, bar one, didn't get selected. Why is it deranged to suggest that Corbyn didn't fix this?
 
ToffeeTim said:
Certainly not made up. I saw tons of tweets and comments from Labour members and supporters wanting her de-selected.

Also why you bringing me into something that I see no relevance to whatsoever, and that I wasn't even involved in?
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You didn't say "Labour", you said "hard-left". I haven't seen any evidence, certainly not "tons of tweets and comments", that the hard left wanted to deselect her; however the Progress wing in the local party have been trying to do it for years.

However of course if you can point to these tweets and comments, then obviously we can have a further discussion about it.
 








There's 4 from my 30 seconds of searching. As if I can be arsed finding more. Labour folk were going mental at the time when she re-selected. And I know I guy in Clapham who campaigns for Labour who says lots of momentum activists are campaigning for the vauxhall libdem.
 
tsubaki said:
It isn't regressive, or at least no more regressive as what we have now - where people who did receive free university education (and at a time when there was much less competition from other graduates) don't pay it back or pay more tax. Current graduates are hugely disadvantaged.

If you are talking about being fair, then the only way of doing it is a graduate tax for every graduate.
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The only way in which current graduates are disadvantaged is because some absolute plank dropped the academic standard required to get into university in order to try to hit a target of 50% of the under 30s going into higher education. Back in the 70's and 80's, having a degree meant a lot more than it does now because far fewer people had them... far fewer people had them because far fewer people went to university in the first place, and that was because it was academically much harder to get in. Because far fewer people got in, the governments in that era were able to fund all undergraduates.

If you want to keep undergraduate numbers at their current rate, or increase them, you cannot remove tuition fees.

If you want to remove tuition fees then you need to introduce other measures to reduce the number roof people getting on to undergrad courses.

There is a limit to the truth in the statement that "a more educated society is a better society" and that limit is when you start finding people with undergraduate degrees working in positions that never required degrees back in the 80's.
 
It looks like the current Labour strategy is to promise an idyllic paradise to everyone, with huge investments in infrastructure, housing, railways, education, nhs, police, civil servants, artists, etc, and then shout down as evil anyone who dares raise questions about possibly funding it all.

It will probably work to an extent too, so it is actually quite a clever tactic from Corbyn.
 
peteblue said:
I agree with him tbh Dave.....some 30 year old know nothing and done nothing is dropped into a place he's never been and doesn't understand and people wonder why Labour have lost the plot........
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That's just it: Anderson has done too much. Too much Tory dirty work and too much witch-hunting in the past.

Did he really think he'd be chosen ahead of a socialist?
 
peteblue said:
I agree with him tbh Dave.....some 30 year old know nothing and done nothing is dropped into a place he's never been and doesn't understand and people wonder why Labour have lost the plot........
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Anderson is an old skool flat track bully Pete.

All these Redrow houses being built on schools /playing fields and parks across the city, rubber stamped by Sloppy Joe.

The city really needs more 400k houses doesn't it ?.

The ghost of Derek Hatton looms large with Joe.
 
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