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Funny that :)
I know you are trying to be clever and I do know what you are saying. Did they live up to that expectation because of my pre conceived idea which means they were never gonna be reasonable. No they lived up to it because that is what they are.
 
It isn't, though. "Personality" of that kind is a totally false creation, after all its only ever delivered to people who have never met the person in question by other people who almost always don't know the person that well either. This election is a perfect example of it.
But this is the problem. If people have an interest in politics then the 'personality' factor is not important, but to those less interested or floating then personality is important. Labour stormed to power as Blair had some pizazz about him.
 
But this is the problem. If people have an interest in politics then the 'personality' factor is not important, but to those less interested or floating then personality is important. Labour stormed to power as Blair had some pizazz about him.

Have you ever met Blair?
 
Meanwhile, I see that Joe Anderson didn't get picked for that safe seat.

I am down in London, so can anyone local confirm if there has been a run on onions and lemons across Merseyside this afternoon?
 
Have you ever met Blair?
No, but I've heard him talk and can see why people were drawn into listening about what his vision was.

It seems that Corbynites can't seem to get the fact that the public at large want to see a leader as a great orator. Would the civil rights movement in the US have been so powerful without the 'I have a dream..' speech. Why is Churchills 'Fight them on the beaches' speech remembered as one of the high points of WW2 despite coming at one of the darkest points?

Charisma goes a long way. This election is crying out for someone who can at least engage people. With neither side offering that then people are more than content for things to remain as they are.

Ask the man on the street why Corbyn is unelectable and the answer 9/10 will be because he is dull as dishwater. He cannot engage with the non political classes, paired with keystone kop Abbott and perhaps the most hateful man alive in McDonnell, that's why things are sliding so badly.
 
No, but I've heard him talk and can see why people were drawn into listening about what his vision was.

It seems that Corbynites can't seem to get the fact that the public at large want to see a leader as a great orator. Would the civil rights movement in the US have been so powerful without the 'I have a dream..' speech. Why is Churchills 'Fight them on the beaches' speech remembered as one of the high points of WW2 despite coming at one of the darkest points?

Charisma goes a long way. This election is crying out for someone who can at least engage people. With neither side offering that then people are more than content for things to remain as they are.

Ask the man on the street why Corbyn is unelectable and the answer 9/10 will be because he is dull as dishwater. He cannot engage with the non political classes, paired with keystone kop Abbott and perhaps the most hateful man alive in McDonnell, that's why things are sliding so badly.

Blair wasn't a great orator though, either in Parliament or elsewhere. I doubt any of his speeches would go down in history because of the quality of the oratory, unlike Cook's resignation speech or Hague's speech on the EU Presidency. Indeed, I think its significant that you cite other people's work as the evidence as to how important oratory is.

Nor was Blair in and of himself that charismatic - in fact he was a control freak who went to often quite insane lengths to prevent even the slightest appearance of dissent, such as the failed attempt to block Livingstone as Mayor of London and the eventually failed attempt to stop Rhodri Morgan becoming Welsh first minister. What he did have in spades was a willingness to engage with the media, which - in return for favours we can all guess at - resulted in him being boosted, portrayed as the leader that you claim he was.

The truth of this is demonstrated by your last post. Corbyn is hated by the "political classes"; that is why all of them, and most of the media who are increasingly part of that circle, have spent the past two years attacking him. John McDonnell is described as "the most hateful man alive", which is a remarkable comment given the state of some of the men alive today.
 
Meanwhile, I see that Joe Anderson didn't get picked for that safe seat.

I am down in London, so can anyone local confirm if there has been a run on onions and lemons across Merseyside this afternoon?

Whoa, HUGE miscalculation that by Big Joe.
 
Just been speaking to a local Labour campaigner, the Momentum lot are happy to do the social media stuff, but when it comes to putting the hard graft in, the bit that will actually mean you're able to connect with the demographic most likely to vote they fob it off (n)
 
Meanwhile, I see that Joe Anderson didn't get picked for that safe seat.

I am down in London, so can anyone local confirm if there has been a run on onions and lemons across Merseyside this afternoon?
Lots of local labour officials resignation getting put in, and councillors in the ward saying they will find it hard working with the new fella as its a stitch up. Lord mayor of the city, long time local political face, a local Euro mp, or a thirty year old aide to Len McLusky at unite, well if the people picking are not from the area and one is a unite official quests who gets the job.
They are going to leave us with a Tory government and a split labour party or I suspect a new party as they have finished the current one off as a credible force for the working class to ever have a say in Parliament, as proven in the last general election and shortly the next one,
Len McLusky and co thanks for the Tory government you have given us.
 
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Lots of local labour officials resignation getting put in, and councillors in the ward saying they will find it hard working with the new fella as its a stitch up. Lord mayor of the city, long time local political face, a local Euro mp, or a thirty year old aide to Len McLusky at unite, well if the people picking are not from the area and one is a unite official quests who gets the job.
They are going to leave us with a Tory government and a split labour party or I suspect a new party as they have finished the current one off as a credible force for the working class to ever have a say in Parliament, as proven in the last general election and shortly the next one,
Len McLusky and co thanks for the Tory government you have given us.

Totally agree with all of this Edge. As I mentioned earlier in the thread , there's a "core" around Corbyn of McDonald, Abbott, Milne and McClusky who have him by the absolute nuts. His bits are in such a grip that Unite have been able to parachute a total novice into the safest seat in the country. A complete disgrace.
 
Lots of local labour officials resignation getting put in, and councillors in the ward saying they will find it hard working with the new fella as its a stitch up. Lord mayor of the city, long time local political face, a local Euro mp, or a thirty year old aide to Len McLusky at unite, well if the people picking are not from the area and one is a unite official quests who gets the job.
They are going to leave us with a Tory government and a split labour party or I suspect a new party as they have finished the current one off as a credible force for the working class to ever have a say in Parliament, as proven in the last general election and shortly the next one,
Len McLusky and co thanks for the Tory government you have given us.

It makes you wonder what their real objectives are. They must know the effects it will have upon the party.......
 
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