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[tsubaki]

When he does stand down, it's really important that they don't rush into an immediate leadership election as that is what has gotten them into this mess in the first place.

I am not sure how likely that is - the PLP have had nearly two years now to identify, examine and understand the reasons why they lost the 2015 election, the subsequent leadership election (and even the referendum), and make the necessary changes. They have made no changes in that time; indeed they seem to have come to the conclusion that "their" party was stolen from them and that any measures can be justified as long as they target those who "stole" it, even openly co-operating with the Tories (and in one case probably being bought off by them) and utterly ignoring the referendum result.

The likely outcome is of course a party which ends up getting the kicking that other soft-left groups have gotten - like the PS in France (6.36% of the vote despite being the party of Government), or Labour in Holland (5.7%, down from 24.8% at the previous election). Delaying that outcome just so that they can fight each other - as Eagle and Smith did so hilariously - will just make things worse, if that's possible - they are no more likely to get a unifying leader to emerge, and Watson's power will continue to increase.

 

[Number_25]

State of it.

The discussion is about personality and not policy?

Personality doesn't build a hospital.

Personality doesn't train teachers.

 

[zzr45]

I can't remember what they were now, some links to dodgy things. It's why he pulled out of the race last time. Actually seem to remember it was something to do with a members only club for the rich and dodgy stuff happening there? But I could be wrong.

I'd be more worried if politicians weren't involved in these sort of things

 

[zzr45]

State of it.

The discussion is about personality and not policy?

Personality doesn't build a hospital.

Personality doesn't train teachers.

But personality is how you get people to listen to your policy and sell it to them.

 

[Number_25]

But personality is how you get people to listen to your policy and sell it to them.

"Oh, well I don't like the fact that she's closing down hospitals and stuff - it's just she seems so nice. That Corbyn fella wants to radically change how unequal our country is, but he doesn't seem like the kind of man I'd like to share a pint with."

Come on.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

State of it.

The discussion is about personality and not policy?

Personality doesn't build a hospital.

Personality doesn't train teachers.

I'm still hoping you'll build the nurse and train the hospital to be honest

 

[tsubaki]

But personality is how you get people to listen to your policy and sell it to them.

It isn't, though. "Personality" of that kind is a totally false creation, after all its only ever delivered to people who have never met the person in question by other people who almost always don't know the person that well either. This election is a perfect example of it.

 

[ashwuk76]

I'd be more worried if politicians weren't involved in these sort of things

Typical Tory response. Not unexpected I guess as the Tories by nature are corrupt and fraudsters.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Typical Tory response. Not unexpected I guess as the Tories by nature are corrupt and fraudsters.

Have you ever met one?

 

[ashwuk76]

Have you ever met one?

Have I ever met who? If you mean a Tory sadly yes I have. Not a nice experience.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Have I ever met who? If you mean a Tory sadly yes I have. Not a nice experience.

where did you have the misfortune?

 

[ashwuk76]

lol where did you have the misfortune?

When I was lobbying on behalf of my union members in parliament.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When I was lobbying on behalf of my union members in parliament.

And did you go into that encounter with the notion that they would be a scoundrel?

 

[ashwuk76]

And did you go into that encounter with the notion that they would be a scoundrel?

Of course I did. And they lived up to that expectation.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course I did. And they lived up to that expectation.

Funny that