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[Bruce Wayne]

My missus is a nurse, she's also an active member of Unison so helps deal with hardship cases. I don't know about other parts of the country, but the issue with nurses using foodbanks round here is almost 100% with trainees who are struggling to make ends meet. Newly qualified nurses are also struggling, but not to the point where they're using foodbanks.

To be honest I think the "nurses using foodbanks" issue in the media is distracting people from the more serious issue of the problem attracting people into the nursing profession.

Indeed. From the anecdotal evidence I'm exposed to, the level of stress and burnout seems incredibly high.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Give everything I've said and the fact the Tories have tried and are continuing to try and destroy Merseyside as a region how can they support Everton?

The conservatives are the party who had planned managed decline for our city, and generally introduce policies which work against the working class in this country.

Fully agree with everything you're saying and as I say - I'd be loathed to agree with the historic Tory attitude towards to the city and their policies and principles generally.

I don't think they should be told they can't support the club though.

 

[ashwuk76]

Fully agree with everything you're saying and as I say - I'd be loathed to agree with the historic Tory attitude towards to the city and their policies and principles generally.

I don't think they should be told they can't support the club though.

So you are ok with supporters of a party hell bent on destroying the region the club is in supporting Everton? Sorry just makes me feel unwell thinking about it.

 

[bring the ghost on]

So you are ok with supporters of a party hell bent on destroying the region the club is in supporting Everton? Sorry just makes me feel unwell thinking about it.

I'd rather they didn't, but it's not as if they're nazis, they're right of centre for crying out loud. The mainstream parties in this country are broad churches and I doubt any Evertonian would support anything which they thought deliberately debilitated the city.

 

[rascal]

*shrug* no idea at all. Slippery slope though making judgements on the lives of people of whom you know nothing though (and quite probably for those you know something too to be honest). Correlation doesn't equal causation and all that.

You'll have to forgive me, Z Bruce. I've just taken out a subscription to The Times, and I'm trying out my Tory impressions.

 

[peteblue]

You'll have to forgive me, Z Bruce. I've just taken out a subscription to The Times, and I'm trying out my Tory impressions.

Sounds like you won't be able to support the blues anymore then, apparently it makes certain posters go physically sick......

 

[ashwuk76]

I'd rather they didn't, but it's not as if they're nazis, they're right of centre for crying out loud. The mainstream parties in this country are broad churches and I doubt any Evertonian would support anything which they thought deliberately debilitated the city.

I'm sorry but by voting Tory that is what they are doing.

 

[peteblue]

I'd rather they didn't, but it's not as if they're nazis, they're right of centre for crying out loud. The mainstream parties in this country are broad churches and I doubt any Evertonian would support anything which they thought deliberately debilitated the city.

I fear you are wasting your time trying to explain it to him though as he is currently riding his moral high horse......

 

[Woolly Blue]

You are probably right it is difficult to attract people to the nursing profession these days. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the learning fees for courses to become a nurse pretty high now? Similar to university fees? Never used to be that way. Certain professions should be exempt from tuition fees and be government funded.

I don't know off-hand what the fees will be, but bursaries are being scrapped , and they were generally worth about 5k / annum. If a nurse had a bursary, then their tuition fees were paid as well. I think ( but may be wrong ), that under the old system, they could get a student loan of up to about 7k, so bursary plus loan came to ~12k, and it was those people who were living independently who were at danger of having to use foodbanks.

Once a nurse is qualified, they're likely to be on ~21k / year, so not great money, but it means they're unlikely to be making trips to foodbanks.

Which is done by paying them more and giving better working conditions - some of the reasons who some nurses might have to use them.

The foodbanks issue for qualified nurses is a bit of a red herring mate, it makes good headlines, but, going forward, the issues in NHS recruitment of nurses is more about expected debt levels than anything else. A qualified nurse will earn up to about 28k.

My missus is a ward sister, so is on something in the mid 30's, previous to that, she was a matron, so was on a bit more than that, but very few nurses will ever be earning > 30k as a basic salary. It makes very little sense to saddle up with debt someone who's likely to be a public sector employee while they're nursing, it's essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Indeed. From the anecdotal evidence I'm exposed to, the level of stress and burnout seems incredibly high.

It's a stressful job, but it's hard to quantify things like staff turnover which you'd normally do in a workplace, because people tend to stay in the NHS. The worry going forward is the age demographic of nurses, where there's a big peak of people in the early fifties which will need replacing soon, so we either have to train people up or import them.

A similar age demographic is present in doctors as well. Basically, if you're going to be ill, it's probably best to do it in the next five or six years.

 

[ashwuk76]

They may even enjoy using them, and the community spirit that foodbank users will no doubt enjoy.

Enjoy using a foodbank are you insane? Wow just wow what a stupid comment to make.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Enjoy using a foodbank are you insane? Wow just wow what a stupid comment to make.

lol lol lol

Plainly the sarcasm font he used doesn't render well on your phone mate !

 

[ashwuk76]

I don't know off-hand what the fees will be, but bursaries are being scrapped , and they were generally worth about 5k / annum. If a nurse had a bursary, then their tuition fees were paid as well. I think ( but may be wrong ), that under the old system, they could get a student loan of up to about 7k, so bursary plus loan came to ~12k, and it was those people who were living independently who were at danger of having to use foodbanks.

Once a nurse is qualified, they're likely to be on ~21k / year, so not great money, but it means they're unlikely to be making trips to foodbanks.



The foodbanks issue for qualified nurses is a bit of a red herring mate, it makes good headlines, but, going forward, the issues in NHS recruitment of nurses is more about expected debt levels than anything else. A qualified nurse will earn up to about 28k.

My missus is a ward sister, so is on something in the mid 30's, previous to that, she was a matron, so was on a bit more than that, but very few nurses will ever be earning > 30k as a basic salary. It makes very little sense to saddle up with debt someone who's likely to be a public sector employee while they're nursing, it's essentially paying Peter to pay Paul.



It's a stressful job, but it's hard to quantify things like staff turnover which you'd normally do in a workplace, because people tend to stay in the NHS. The worry going forward is the age demographic of nurses, where there's a big peak of people in the early fifties which will need replacing soon, so we either have to train people up or import them.

A similar age demographic is present in doctors as well. Basically, if you're going to be ill, it's probably best to do it in the next five or six years.

Add into this brexit and what that could mean for future workers as a lot of the nhs work is done by doctors and nurses from a different country for a lot of the reasons you outlined above.

 

[ashwuk76]

lol lol lol

Plainly the sarcasm font he used doesn't render well on your phone mate !

Lol nope it didn't!

 

[The Cowboy]

I think he has a point to a certain degree. The conservatives are the party who had planned managed decline for our city, and generally introduce policies which work against the working class in this country. Times have changed in terms of the regard the Tories have for the city of Liverpool, but it does make me wonder why somebody who supports a club rooted in the history of a working class city could also be an avid conservative supporter. That doesn't mean to say, by the way, that they shouldn't support Everton, but I do find the contrasts interesting.

I don't care about the city of Liverpool though. And I don't think I have to in order to be a fan of Everton Football Club.

 

[ashwuk76]

I don't care about the city of Liverpool though. And I don't think I have to in order to be a fan of Everton Football Club.

Wowzers.