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[The Cowboy]

Agreed with everything you said up to this point. Have to totally disagree I don't think is it acceptable for a Tory voter to support Everton .

Well I think you're being rather juvenile, quite frankly.

 

[ashwuk76]

Well I think you're being rather juvenile, quite frankly.

Am I? Am i the one with policies that kill people? Nope that's the Tories. Am i the one who has overseen foodbanks being needed by nurses because of public sector pay not being increased by inflation? Nope that's the Tories. Did I introduce the bedroom tax that forced people out of family homes? Nope that's the Tories. Have I got a policy that forces the sick and disabled back to work and as a result people committ suicide over It? Nope that's the Tories. I could go on.

I'm the one being juvenile though.

Everton as a club do more to support local communities etc than the Tories do.

How can anyone who supports and votes Tory who is ok with what I have outlined above, support Everton who the Tories would and have tried to destroy the area where it is?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Am I? Am i the one with policies that kill people? Nope that's the Tories. Am i the one who has overseen foodbanks being needed by nurses because of public sector pay not being increased by inflation? Nope that's the Tories. Did I introduce the bedroom tax that forced people out of family homes? Nope that's the Tories. Have I got a policy that forces the sick and disabled back to work and as a result people committ suicide over It? Nope that's the Tories. I could go on.

I'm the one being juvenile though.

Everton as a club do more to support local communities etc than the Tories do.

How can anyone who supports and votes Tory who is ok with what I have outlined above, support Everton who the Tories would and have tried to destroy the area where it is?

Lets be honest, there are a myriad of reasons why a nurse (for instance) might need to use a food bank, with their personal income just one such reason. They may have high outgoings for instance, or these may have risen for whatever reason. Their partner may have lost their job and so the household income has fallen. All manner of things. If it was systemic, then every single nurse would require a food bank, and they don't, which suggests there is more to that unfortunate situation.

 

[ashwuk76]

Lets be honest, there are a myriad of reasons why a nurse (for instance) might need to use a food bank, with their personal income just one such reason. They may have high outgoings for instance, or these may have risen for whatever reason. Their partner may have lost their job and so the household income has fallen. All manner of things. If it was systemic, then every single nurse would require a food bank, and they don't, which suggests there is more to that unfortunate situation.

You forgot to add strong and stable leadership. You also pretty much said what theresa May said on the Andrew marr show last week.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You forgot to add strong and stable leadership. You also pretty much said what theresa May said on the Andrew marr show last week.

My other half is a nurse, so I know full well the paucity of pay they receive for the wonderful work they do, but being a nurse doesn't equate to requiring a food bank (and we live in London where living costs are very high), so there must be something else going on.

 

[ashwuk76]

My other half is a nurse, so I know full well the paucity of pay they receive for the wonderful work they do, but being a nurse doesn't equate to requiring a food bank (and we live in London where living costs are very high), so there must be something else going on.

I live in London too so yeah know the costs.
Respect to your other half being a nurse so was my mum when she was alive.

However the fact the usage of food banks has increased not only by nurses says a lot.

Also I noticed you never said anything about what I wrote in that post?

 

[The Cowboy]

Am I? Am i the one with policies that kill people? Nope that's the Tories. Am i the one who has overseen foodbanks being needed by nurses because of public sector pay not being increased by inflation? Nope that's the Tories. Did I introduce the bedroom tax that forced people out of family homes? Nope that's the Tories. Have I got a policy that forces the sick and disabled back to work and as a result people committ suicide over It? Nope that's the Tories. I could go on.

I'm the one being juvenile though.

Everton as a club do more to support local communities etc than the Tories do.

How can anyone who supports and votes Tory who is ok with what I have outlined above, support Everton who the Tories would and have tried to destroy the area where it is?

I give up.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Agreed with everything you said up to this point. Have to totally disagree I don't think is it acceptable for a Tory voter to support Everton .

I'll preface this by saying firstly, I have never voted Tory and secondly, I'm more aligned to Labour's principles (not a Corbyn fan though).

However, I despair slightly when I see centre-left people telling people with different political views to their own that they are not entitled to support Everton. Much though I may be loathed to agree with some those beliefs/principles, that doesn't mean they're any less of an Evertonian than you or I. There is no "left-wing policy" requirement to support the club.

There are a lot of different reasons for holding a set of political beliefs and I think it is belittling to assume that every Tory voter is selfish and wants to see the working classes punished. A lot of right of centre voters may think differently on issues such as economic regulation, welfare spending, public vs private services, immigration controls, etc, but that's their prerogative.

 

[rascal]

Lets be honest, there are a myriad of reasons why a nurse (for instance) might need to use a food bank, with their personal income just one such reason. They may have high outgoings for instance, or these may have risen for whatever reason. Their partner may have lost their job and so the household income has fallen. All manner of things. If it was systemic, then every single nurse would require a food bank, and they don't, which suggests there is more to that unfortunate situation.

They may even enjoy using them, and the community spirit that foodbank users will no doubt enjoy.

 

[ashwuk76]

I'll preface this by saying firstly, I have never voted Tory and secondly, I'm more aligned to Labour's principles (not a Corbyn fan though).

However, I despair slightly when I see centre-left people telling people with different political views to their own that they are not entitled to support Everton. Much though I may be loathed to agree with some those beliefs/principles, that doesn't mean they're any less of an Evertonian than you or I. There is no "left-wing policy" requirement to support the club.

There are a lot of different reasons for holding a set of political beliefs and I think it is belittling to assume that every Tory voter is selfish and wants to see the working classes punished. A lot of right of centre voters may think differently on issues such as economic regulation, welfare spending, public vs private services, immigration controls, etc, but that's their prerogative.

Not said that there needs to be a political requirement to support Everton. However, give everything I've said and the fact the Tories have tried and are continuing to try and destroy Merseyside as a region how can they support Everton?

If the Tories succeeded in destroying Merseyside who would these Tory voters support then?

In my opinion it's a total conflict to support a party that is hell bent against the region the club is based in.

 

[Seanjd]

I'll preface this by saying firstly, I have never voted Tory and secondly, I'm more aligned to Labour's principles (not a Corbyn fan though).

However, I despair slightly when I see centre-left people telling people with different political views to their own that they are not entitled to support Everton. Much though I may be loathed to agree with some those beliefs/principles, that doesn't mean they're any less of an Evertonian than you or I. There is no "left-wing policy" requirement to support the club.

There are a lot of different reasons for holding a set of political beliefs and I think it is belittling to assume that every Tory voter is selfish and wants to see the working classes punished. A lot of right of centre voters may think differently on issues such as economic regulation, welfare spending, public vs private services, immigration controls, etc, but that's their prerogative.

I think he has a point to a certain degree. The conservatives are the party who had planned managed decline for our city, and generally introduce policies which work against the working class in this country. Times have changed in terms of the regard the Tories have for the city of Liverpool, but it does make me wonder why somebody who supports a club rooted in the history of a working class city could also be an avid conservative supporter. That doesn't mean to say, by the way, that they shouldn't support Everton, but I do find the contrasts interesting.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They may even enjoy using them, and the community spirit that foodbank users will no doubt enjoy.

*shrug* no idea at all. Slippery slope though making judgements on the lives of people of whom you know nothing though (and quite probably for those you know something too to be honest). Correlation doesn't equal causation and all that.

 

[Woolly Blue]

My other half is a nurse, so I know full well the paucity of pay they receive for the wonderful work they do, but being a nurse doesn't equate to requiring a food bank (and we live in London where living costs are very high), so there must be something else going on.

I live in London too so yeah know the costs.
Respect to your other half being a nurse so was my mum when she was alive.

However the fact the usage of food banks has increased not only by nurses says a lot.

Also I noticed you never said anything about what I wrote in that post?

My missus is a nurse, she's also an active member of Unison so helps deal with hardship cases. I don't know about other parts of the country, but the issue with nurses using foodbanks round here is almost 100% with trainees who are struggling to make ends meet. Newly qualified nurses are also struggling, but not to the point where they're using foodbanks.

To be honest I think the "nurses using foodbanks" issue in the media is distracting people from the more serious issue of the problem attracting people into the nursing profession.

 

[ashwuk76]

My missus is a nurse, she's also an active member of Unison so helps deal with hardship cases. I don't know about other parts of the country, but the issue with nurses using foodbanks round here is almost 100% with trainees who are struggling to make ends meet. Newly qualified nurses are also struggling, but not to the point where they're using foodbanks.

To be honest I think the "nurses using foodbanks" issue in the media is distracting people from the more serious issue of the problem attracting people into the nursing profession.

You are probably right it is difficult to attract people to the nursing profession these days. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the learning fees for courses to become a nurse pretty high now? Similar to university fees? Never used to be that way. Certain professions should be exempt from tuition fees and be government funded.

 

[Seanjd]

My missus is a nurse, she's also an active member of Unison so helps deal with hardship cases. I don't know about other parts of the country, but the issue with nurses using foodbanks round here is almost 100% with trainees who are struggling to make ends meet. Newly qualified nurses are also struggling, but not to the point where they're using foodbanks.

To be honest I think the "nurses using foodbanks" issue in the media is distracting people from the more serious issue of the problem attracting people into the nursing profession.

Which is done by paying them more and giving better working conditions - some of the reasons who some nurses might have to use them.