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Bruce Wayne said:
The Tory manifesto isn't in any way liberal. Indeed, she's borrowed many of the statism from past Labour manifestos, which coupled with extreme social conservatism probably make this the least liberal manifesto a Tory party has ever published.
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Have you seen Nigel Evans video? I know he's not everyone's cup of tea but as a homosexual Tory (him not me, I'm no Tory) he's gone in for her on that clip.
 
hullefc said:
This seems to be too complicated for you and is obviously causing you some angst, and I apologise for that. But here goes I will try again.

One piece of historical data shows one thing about an issue - in this case a Labour leader losing an election will lead to 14 years of Tory rule, which happened - and another piece of historical data will show the opposite - that a Labour leader losing an election does not lead to 14 years of Tory rule - which happened. Saying if Corbyn loses 'it will lead to 14 years of Tory rule' is a hunch. In your immediate post, you claimed it is not a hunch but is based on 'historical data'. It is backed by some historical data but not all. Because some historical data would show the opposite. It would have been better for you to have said some historical data would suggest .... based on recent experience. Rather than the absolute 'it's not a hunch ...but based on historical data'. Because some historical data doesn't show '14 years of Tory rule follows a Labour defeat' but the opposite.

Hope that clears that up for you, and you can call down.
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Have you made a big enough deal over something that you misread from my original post now?

Historical results show that the Tories have been in control for a far larger period of time. After the last far left leaning government there was 18 years of Tory rule, if the Conservatives somehow patch themselves together and using the fixed term parliments rule they could hobble along until 2022 before they have to have another. That could be 12 years. Although circumstances will probably prevent that, but the point is they have won 3 general elections in that time. So the point you are arguing over (although you are saying if Labour lose an election and i was going from when they were voted out from being the ruling party) is more or less being shown in reality.

Hope that helps.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Have you made a big enough deal over something that you misread from my original post now?

Historical results show that the Tories have been in control for a far larger period of time. After the last far left leaning government there was 18 years of Tory rule, if the Conservatives somehow patch themselves together and using the fixed term parliments rule they could hobble along until 2022 before they have to have another. That could be 12 years. Although circumstances will probably prevent that, but the point is they have won 3 general elections in that time. So the point you are arguing over (although you are saying if Labour lose an election and i was going from when they were voted out from being the ruling party) is more or less being shown in reality.

Hope that helps.
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He's not still going and getting it wrong is he lol

Deary me. I like his "you can call down", a good insight into his mind there.
 
orly said:
He's not still going and getting it wrong is he lol

Deary me. I like his "you can call down", a good insight into his mind there.
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Oh deary me.

"Try and read people's posts properly mate. You've missed the point again as you've been shown about five times.

Call down and have another look. Not complicated, you'll get there". It was your 'call down' that I used.

It was poor form of me to use your spelling mishap, seeing that you find it very difficult when someone challenges you. I was trying to lighten the situation. I thought you may have realised, it was a hunch mind, but it seems you were so blinded by rage and angst to realise.
 
I stated that it's easy to criticise may, but promoting future con policy would have yielded an even greater reduction in seats, hence the lack of content from her.
They are neo-liberal policies, perhaps you're getting confused between liberalism pertaining to an individual, and neo-liberalism which is concerned with unfettered 'markets' and corporations.

Bruce Wayne said:
The Tory manifesto isn't in any way liberal. Indeed, she's borrowed many of the statism from past Labour manifestos, which coupled with extreme social conservatism probably make this the least liberal manifesto a Tory party has ever published.
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orchard said:
There is a rejection, and you miss my point, but no hard feelings.
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Everyone is allowed their own take on situation, it's not black and white due to all the variables particular to this election. From my point of view I'm not saying there wasn't any rejection of the Tory party, especially in the constituencies that had large swings to Labour, however they won more seats in Scotland and also turned safe Labour seats blue. So you could equally say there was a rejection of Labour, be it because they too far to the left or the infighting that was pretty constant for the last 2 years or they do not see JC as PM material. (Or a bit of everything)

Over the last 3 elections, the difference between most seats won and most seats lost has been 30 to Labour and 24 to the Tories. It's undeniably good what Labour have managed in the circumstances but still they have only just got themselves back above 2010 levels. (+4) Where the Tories are up (+12) from that time, which is rare that a party goes up after 3 election wins. (although the first being a coalition is something to take account there)

So given the data, is current Labour creating any more of a pull to the party compared to what the tail of New Labour did? The feeling may be different with populist policies (for true socialists) that have re-energised the party members and enabled them to campaign with distinct differences to policies (much easier than having little difference to other parties) and the youth movement that gets talked about so much. The numbers however just don't back that up though. I want Labour to do well but I still have my doubts that what appears a naturally centre-right country will vote in a far left leader.
 
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