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[roydo]

Considering many of us were considering the prospect of the political wilderness, winning 29/30 seats whilst taking 40% of the vote share and seeing a swing of close to 10% is a fine result for us, regardless of whatever anyone says.

If there is a snap election called before the end of the year and there is a real chance of a Labour win, the Youth vote will come back out, absolutely.

Oh dont get me wrong mate, it was a terrific result, and a personal triumph.

I just wouldnt get too carried away when in reality, the numbers and seats kinda reverted to a normalish Oppo performance.

Then when you balance that against the shambles he was up against, yeah, the youth vote came out and created parity with a normal result. Where were all the others that would have delivered the knock out blow?

 

[Connor]

Oh dont get me wrong mate, it was a terrific result, and a personal triumph.

I just wouldnt get too carried away when in reality, the numbers and seats kinda reverted to a normalish Oppo performance.

Then when you balance that against the shambles he was up against, yeah, the youth vote came out and created parity with a normal result. Where were all the others that would have delivered the knock out blow?

I suppose we'll have to see in the weeks and months that follow.

In regards to that - the youth vote, I think the majority of the Uni seats they were targeting - went to Labour, which is great to see. Yes, there's plenty more young people to motivate to vote but as said earlier, I think if there's a real chance to win whenever we go again, we'll see another rise in that turn out.

Theres also the need to keep the collapsing UKIP vote to be going to labour in some places for next time and all.

If we can have a similar performance whenever we do this again, but rally in Scotland and flip the CON Gains whilst working with or also flipping the Lib Dem seats, we're good to go, I'd say.

 

[roydo]

I suppose we'll have to see in the weeks and months that follow.

In regards to that - the youth vote, I think the majority of the Uni seats they were targeting - went to Labour, which is great to see. Yes, there's plenty more young people to motivate to vote but as said earlier, I think if there's a real chance to win whenever we go again, we'll see another rise in that turn out.

Theres also the need to keep the collapsing UKIP vote to be going to labour in some places for next time and all.

If we can have a similar performance whenever we do this again, but rally in Scotland and flip the CON Gains whilst working with or also flipping the Lib Dem seats, we're good to go, I'd say.

Aye, all of that is possible. And all is maybe not.

Its a fascinating phase of political history. I just cant help wondering if the energy and enthusiasm that Corbyn created could be generated a second time, after a brief hiatus.

The Second Album syndrome if you like.

As for UKIP. They have collapsed. Period. There will not be another reappointing of their vote again.

 

[peteblue]

Aye, all of that is possible. And all is maybe not.

Its a fascinating phase of political history. I just cant help wondering if the energy and enthusiasm that Corbyn created could be generated a second time, after a brief hiatus.

The Second Album syndrome if you like.

As for UKIP. They have collapsed. Period. There will not be another reappointing of their vote again.

Indeed, we now have two parties. Corbyn has done as well as he could have hoped, the tories did as badly as they could have feared, the next one will have different faces and a different approach.......

 

[Walken]

Aye, all of that is possible. And all is maybe not.

Its a fascinating phase of political history. I just cant help wondering if the energy and enthusiasm that Corbyn created could be generated a second time, after a brief hiatus.

The Second Album syndrome if you like.

As for UKIP. They have collapsed. Period. There will not be another reappointing of their vote again.

In fairness to Corbyn, whenever he has been allowed anything even approaching an open public forum, he has gained momentum, first the Labour leadership race and now the general election. Inbetween and during this he has endured disgusting smear campaigns from some truly repugnant people, the importance of his message filtering across can't be overstated, whether people agreed with him or not, I do believe they started to see past the Tories dirty smear tactics, and be presented with an alternative and opening up potential for genuine debate

 

[orchard]

Easy to say, and a handy excuse to use, but May's appalling campaign would conceivably have been much worse if she had made future Conservative policy more available to the voting public. It's the neo-liberalism that's being rejected, not just May.

Indeed, we now have two parties. Corbyn has done as well as he could have hoped, the tories did as badly as they could have feared, the next one will have different faces and a different approach.......

 

[hallamblue]

Would be interesting to see how Tony Benn would have fared in today's political environment.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Easy to say, and a handy excuse to use, but May's appalling campaign would conceivably have been much worse if she had made future Conservative policy more available to the voting public. It's the neo-liberalism that's being rejected, not just May.

The Tories lost 13 seats with possibly the worst election campaign i've ever witnessed. Hardly a stinging rejection.

 

[edge]

"The binman chronicles, post: 5512845, member: 41502"]The Tories lost 13 seats with possibly the worst election campaign i've ever witnessed. Hardly a stinging rejection.

They still won as you say , leaving labour 60 seats short of an outright win, with the boundary changes next year(if there isn't an election before then) Labour lose another 20 due to that , leaving them needing 80 to be the government, although Corbyn did well that's one hell of a hill to overcome to be elected.
Lets face it the last two elections were there to be won, the last one from a Tory point of view was the worst showing I can recall, yet Labour didn't win when they were at there weakest so that tells you something is badly wrong,
Corbyn needs to get the PLP back into the fold and helping him, I thing they should for the future of the party and the working class they are supposed to represent , , he would be a lot stronger if he had better around him than Abbot and co to help him, wasn't a fan of his, still not sure, but he deserves a chance to lead after his showing in the last election ,the PLP should give him a better chance next time, as the Tories will not run an election as bad as the last one again, hope they do but cant see it.

 

[Tubey]

They still won as you say , leaving labour 60 seats short of an outright win, with the boundary changes next year(if there isn't an election before then) Labour lose another 20 due to that , leaving them needing 80 to be the government, although Corbyn did well that's one hell of a hill to overcome to be elected.
Lets face it the last two elections were there to be won, the last one from a Tory point of view was the worst showing I can recall, yet Labour didn't win when they were at there weakest so that tells you something is badly wrong,
Corbyn either needs to get the PLP back into the fold and helping him, I thing they should for the future of the party and the working class they are supposed to represent , , he would be a lot stronger if he had better around him than Abbot and co to help him, wasn't a fan of his, still not sure, but he deserves a chance to lead after his showing in the last election ,the PLP should give him a better chance next time, as the Tories will not run an election as bad as the last one again, hope they do but cant see it.

The way I see it, the Conservatives took a battering but won on a points decision, but Theresa May was outright beaten to death in that election. Two separate entities.

Labour didn't win, but they made significant gains in defeat, beyond the hopes of even the most optimistic of supporters.

 

[edge]

The way I see it, the Conservatives took a battering but won on a points decision, but Theresa May was outright beaten to death in that election. Two separate entities.

Labour didn't win, but they made significant gains in defeat, beyond the hopes of even the most optimistic of supporters.

she will be gone before Xmas.

 

[hullefc]

They still won as you say , leaving labour 60 seats short of an outright win, with the boundary changes next year(if there isn't an election before then) Labour lose another 20 due to that , leaving them needing 80 to be the government, although Corbyn did well that's one hell of a hill to overcome to be elected.
Lets face it the last two elections were there to be won, the last one from a Tory point of view was the worst showing I can recall, yet Labour didn't win when they were at there weakest so that tells you something is badly wrong,
Corbyn needs to get the PLP back into the fold and helping him, I thing they should for the future of the party and the working class they are supposed to represent , , he would be a lot stronger if he had better around him than Abbot and co to help him, wasn't a fan of his, still not sure, but he deserves a chance to lead after his showing in the last election ,the PLP should give him a better chance next time, as the Tories will not run an election as bad as the last one again, hope they do but cant see it.

Those that were anti Corbyn in the PLP are begging him to let them back in the fold. They badly misjudged the situation and went against the majority of the members of the party, so made it worse for Labour's chances of getting a majority of seats. They badly let down all those that have suffered under the Tories, the sick, the poor, the vulnerable, the disabled, the in work poor, children living in poverty etc..

They should at least have the decency to apologise, to not only them but to Corbyn for aiding the lies, slurs and innuendos aimed at him by a hostile media. But Corbyn will not demand anything of them but will gratefully allow them back into the fold. It is now up to them to put as much energy into getting a Corbyn led Labour government elected, as they did putting the boot into him and giving ammunition to the Tories.

 

[The binman chronicles]

They still won as you say , leaving labour 60 seats short of an outright win, with the boundary changes next year(if there isn't an election before then) Labour lose another 20 due to that , leaving them needing 80 to be the government, although Corbyn did well that's one hell of a hill to overcome to be elected.
Lets face it the last two elections were there to be won, the last one from a Tory point of view was the worst showing I can recall, yet Labour didn't win when they were at there weakest so that tells you something is badly wrong,
Corbyn needs to get the PLP back into the fold and helping him, I thing they should for the future of the party and the working class they are supposed to represent , , he would be a lot stronger if he had better around him than Abbot and co to help him, wasn't a fan of his, still not sure, but he deserves a chance to lead after his showing in the last election ,the PLP should give him a better chance next time, as the Tories will not run an election as bad as the last one again, hope they do but cant see it.

Corbyn ran a good campaign and as you say would no doubt have been helped immeasurably if he didn't have all the infighting when he first became leader. We have to see if the party snap back to how they were before the election was called.

I would like him to reach out to the people that are centre-left that rejected him as leader and see if he can get them in prominent positions in the shadow cabinet now they have seen what he can do. Ideally he needs to replace his friends Abbott and McDonnell, as they shouldn't have been in any of the top jobs. If he can do all this and reach out to the centre with policies that are good for businesses whilst trying to execute some of his far left ones that are close to his heart, then we might have a PM in waiting. If not then Thursday might be as good as it gets for him.

The result was as much a rejection of Corbyn and his far left views in the blue belt as it was about people rejecting the Tories in others. Anyone who voted for the conservatives couldn't have been doing it for the sake of their manifesto or strength of it's leader. If Corbyn tries to do the exact same thing he could loose by another 30-50 seats.*

*depending on who is the next Tory leader, if it's Boris then that could work in the same way as May as he is definitely marmite.

 

[peteblue]

she will be gone before Xmas.

I would think so.....

 

[The binman chronicles]

Those that were anti Corbyn in the PLP are begging him to let them back in the fold. They badly misjudged the situation and went against the majority of the members of the party, so made it worse for Labour's chances of getting a majority of seats. They badly let down all those that have suffered under the Tories, the sick, the poor, the vulnerable, the disabled, the in work poor, children living in poverty etc..

They should at least have the decency to apologise, to not only them but to Corbyn for aiding the lies, slurs and innuendos aimed at him by a hostile media. But Corbyn will not demand anything of them but will gratefully allow them back into the fold. It is now up to them to put as much energy into getting a Corbyn led Labour government elected, as they did putting the boot into him and giving ammunition to the Tories.

I agree with a lot of that post but not the part that some PLP members are begging him to come back nor that they have let the vulnerable down. A more moderate Labour leader probably wins that election against such weak opposition and that's why the Labour MP's had an issue with JC in the first place.

Just because Corbyn did better than expected probably just compounds the issue as they now stay like this until the next GE. It's not a big issue as it should be a short Parliament, it will probably be later this year but could be after brexit talks have finished in 2019. If he loses again then that's 14 years of a conservative government and that is helping who exactly.