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[Bruce Wayne]

I stated that it's easy to criticise may, but promoting future con policy would have yielded an even greater reduction in seats, hence the lack of content from her.
They are neo-liberal policies, perhaps you're getting confused between liberalism pertaining to an individual, and neo-liberalism which is concerned with unfettered 'markets' and corporations.

But it's not unfettered markets in the slightest. They proposed caps on energy prices, a clear and distinct industrial policy, 'managed' migration, and various other quite clear statements from May and her team that they were through with 'neoliberalism'. Since the referendum, they've taken the leave vote as a vote of no-confidence in markets and veered to the left on economics and to the right on social policy, neither of which is liberal in any sense of the word.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a relative concept, so don't sound so surprised. He's not far left.

He kind of is though isn't he? For me it's a matter of time. The Labour manifesto already massively over-extended itself in terms of the things it wanted to achieve in the next parliament, but I very much doubt he would stop there if he was fortunate enough to have multiple terms in office. I mean we weren't going to have rebels storming Buckingham Palace were we? All he could realistically do was move the country left at a manageable pace. Now I don't think it was at all manageable, but equally I don't see how people expect us to become Venuzuela in five years either.

 

[orchard]

That's only one example, and was probably only thrown in as a sweetener, knowing very well how they responded last time.
I'll remind you of what my key point was again. It wasn't what was in the manifesto that was of import, it was the policy beyond that would make her unelectable. Hence lack of substance during the campaign.

But it's not unfettered markets in the slightest. They proposed caps on energy prices, a clear and distinct industrial policy, 'managed' migration, and various other quite clear statements from May and her team that they were through with 'neoliberalism'. Since the referendum, they've taken the leave vote as a vote of no-confidence in markets and veered to the left on economics and to the right on social policy, neither of which is liberal in any sense of the word.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's only one example, and was probably only thrown in as a sweetener, knowing very well how they responded last time.
I'll remind you of what my key point was again. It wasn't what was in the manifesto that was of import, it was the policy beyond that would make her unelectable. Hence lack of substance during the campaign.

If the Tories were liberal, they'd be staying in the EU. I've no doubt there are those in the party that are that way inclined, just as there are in the Labour party, but at the moment, neither is in the driving seat of their respective party.

 

[neil999]

Cooper for home sec please

 

[orchard]

Neo-liberal Bruce, not the US liberal,not classical liberal.

If the Tories were liberal, they'd be staying in the EU. I've no doubt there are those in the party that are that way inclined, just as there are in the Labour party, but at the moment, neither is in the driving seat of their respective party.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Neo-liberal Bruce, not the US liberal,not classical liberal.

I'm well aware what it is, and May is nothing of the sort. If you're unsure, just search for Theresa May on the Adam Smith Institute website. Heck, even the Economist didn't endorse the Tories in this election because of their move away from liberalism.

 

[orchard]

Like has been stated many times, most of his policies are held in common with well run European states, even the Corporation tax is low comparably.

If anyone is going to take us close to a s.american model of governance it will be the con's.

He kind of is though isn't he? For me it's a matter of time. The Labour manifesto already massively over-extended itself in terms of the things it wanted to achieve in the next parliament, but I very much doubt he would stop there if he was fortunate enough to have multiple terms in office. I mean we weren't going to have rebels storming Buckingham Palace were we? All he could realistically do was move the country left at a manageable pace. Now I don't think it was at all manageable, but equally I don't see how people expect us to become Venuzuela in five years either.

 

[summerisle]

Great put downs to the smug Tories.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Great put downs to the smug Tories.

Just out of interest, I know Bolsover was a big coal mining area (and made agent orange apparently), but what has Skinner done for the community during his time in parliament?

 

[summerisle]

Just out of interest, I know Bolsover was a big coal mining area (and made agent orange apparently), but what has Skinner done for the community during his time in parliament?

Haven't the foggiest, but I would imagine he must be doing something right to be re-elected so many times. Here's a brief biography.

http://www.derbyshirelife.co.uk/peo...skinner-on-his-clay-cross-childhood-1-5309020

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I must say, this very funny by Milliband (a Christmas card he's sending out).

 

[peteblue]

Great put downs to the smug Tories.

I really like Dennis Skinner, a grammar school boy, he’s been a Labour MP for decades. But what has he actually achieved.......what has he done that has transformed our country......being an anti everything doesn’t really cut it.....

 

[Joey66]

Haven't the foggiest, but I would imagine he must be doing something right to be re-elected so many times. Here's a brief biography.

http://www.derbyshirelife.co.uk/peo...skinner-on-his-clay-cross-childhood-1-5309020

There was supposed to be a televised documentary about him have I missed it?

 

[summerisle]

I really like Dennis Skinner, a grammar school boy, he’s been a Labour MP for decades. But what has he actually achieved.......what has he done that has transformed our country......being an anti everything doesn’t really cut it.....

Being an MP is primarily to serve your constituents, not transform the country. That's, allegedly, what the Prime Minister and members of the cabinet are supposed to do. There are few MP's, not in government, who can be said to have 'transformed' the country.