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[nsno-chris]

Think you are missing my point. Corbyn could not get a majority with all the other parties combined.

Its not a point of principle, (unfortunately), its purely a mechanism to get a rubber stamp allowing someone, anyone, to talk to the EU.

My understanding is that if the HOC votes against a QS, then yet another GE is immediately called. We simply do not have the time for that to happen.

Don't think that's correct mate. If the HoC reject the QS the incumbent Government is "expected to resign" as they don't have the confidence of parliament.

If she does Corbyn has a chance to present a QS to parliament. It's why McDonnell was banging on about drafting a QS right after results. They're well aware of the mess the tories have put themselves in.

 

[roydo]

Don't think that's correct mate. If the HoC reject the QS the incumbent Government is "expected to resign" as they don't have the confidence of parliament.

If she does Corbyn has a chance to present a QS to parliament. It's why McDonnell was banging on about drafting a QS right after results. They're well aware of the mess the tories have put themselves in.

Which will be defeated cos they dont have the numbers.

Ergo, another GE.

And yeah, its a mess 100% of their own making.

 

[nsno-chris]

Which will be defeated cos they dont have the numbers.

Ergo, another GE.

And yeah, its a mess 100% of their own making.

It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next week or so

 

[roydo]

It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next week or so

QS. Tick.

EU meeting. Tick

Budget. Tick.

Big cheque to Belfast. Tick.

May out at first Commons defeat. Tick.

GE before the transfer window slams shut?

Utterly depressing.

 

[nsno-chris]

QS. Tick.

EU meeting. Tick

Budget. Tick.

Big cheque to Belfast. Tick.

May out at first Commons defeat. Tick.

GE before the transfer window slams shut?

Utterly depressing.

I'm not confident on the QS going through, I know people are aware of the negotiations but I can see a spanner in the works

 

[hullefc]

Try and read people's posts properly mate. You've missed the point again as you've been shown about five times.

Call down and have another look. Not complicated, you'll get there.

This seems to be too complicated for you and is obviously causing you some angst, and I apologise for that. But here goes I will try again.

One piece of historical data shows one thing about an issue - in this case a Labour leader losing an election will lead to 14 years of Tory rule, which happened - and another piece of historical data will show the opposite - that a Labour leader losing an election does not lead to 14 years of Tory rule - which happened. Saying if Corbyn loses 'it will lead to 14 years of Tory rule' is a hunch. In your immediate post, you claimed it is not a hunch but is based on 'historical data'. It is backed by some historical data but not all. Because some historical data would show the opposite. It would have been better for you to have said some historical data would suggest .... based on recent experience. Rather than the absolute 'it's not a hunch ...but based on historical data'. Because some historical data doesn't show '14 years of Tory rule follows a Labour defeat' but the opposite.

Hope that clears that up for you, and you can call down.

 

[dandydan]

Could be a bit of an own goal coming so close to victory. Those fat cats Labour were planning to squeeze will be on the phone to their accountants first thing Monday morning.

 

[roydo]

I'm not confident on the QS going through, I know people are aware of the negotiations but I can see a spanner in the works

Thats about the only thing I am confident of.

But it will be totally meaningless anyrate. Might as well promise free Jaffa Cakes to everyone for all the good it will make.

 

[nsno-chris]

Thats about the only thing I am confident of.

But it will be totally meaningless anyrate. Might as well promise free Jaffa Cakes to everyone for all the good it will make.

I'd be up for that like

 

[roydo]

I'd be up for that like

Vote Roydo.

 

[orly]

QS. Tick.

EU meeting. Tick

Budget. Tick.

Big cheque to Belfast. Tick.

May out at first Commons defeat. Tick.

GE before the transfer window slams shut?

Utterly depressing.

That utilities issue will be settled on the sly by the Government here.

I'm ok with another GE as soon as possible. That's our democratic system and one approach that, arguably, would have been brilliant for country in 2010

 

[Billy Dean]

But the processes of Government work can work without a Parliament - we're seeing that in Ireland at the moment. The EU is negotiating with Britain, rather than the Tory / Tory-DUP axis of evil.

Dunno really mate, I think for the sake of another six weeks polling (or quicker) the country shouldn't sell its soul.

Spot on. May is clearly not up to it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Against the wall. All of you.

These things are never in isolation though are they? When the Tories were seen as even vaguely competent he polled atrociously. How much of the result was down to his improving performance and how much down to the utter meltdown by May et al? Throw into that mix that the Lib Dems didn't seem to have any kind of revival this time out, and there must be considerable scope for an 'anyone but Tories' protest vote that would naturally go to Labour, especially in cities that almost universally voted 'remain'.

 

[AndyC]

I'd be up for that like

@roydo
Can we insist the Jaffa Cakes are McVities and not a supermarket brand

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Easy to say, and a handy excuse to use, but May's appalling campaign would conceivably have been much worse if she had made future Conservative policy more available to the voting public. It's the neo-liberalism that's being rejected, not just May.

The Tory manifesto isn't in any way liberal. Indeed, she's borrowed many of the statism from past Labour manifestos, which coupled with extreme social conservatism probably make this the least liberal manifesto a Tory party has ever published.