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[JimmyJeffers]

And that veiwpoint is the exact problem with the left today.
Everybody knows what Johnson is about - exactly.
It's just that the alternative is so unpaletable they vote for the Tories.
The 'everybody else is wrong and you will be told and listen to us' attitude
of the LP is why its in the absolute and dire mess it's in today.

I think the ‘enter’ button is broken on your keypad.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Scenes when Sir Keir is our next Prime Minister.

Stick with him we need stability. Get rid of Momentum and wait for the vaccine bounce to wear off and you watch him go.

No patience these days.

Optimistic but certainly the voice of reason there mate. The river of piss cascading off twitter just because labour lost a by-election (that was never in play in the first place) obscures the true picture.

Starmer 's like DCL in a bad patch two years ago - get beat and clowns on the match thread demanding that he be chased out of the game by an angry mob. But wiser heads knew there was a player in there.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Optimistic but certainly the voice of reason there mate. The river of piss cascading off twitter just because labour lost a by-election (that was never in play in the first place) obscures the true picture.

Starmer 's like DCL in a bad patch two years ago - get beat and clowns on the match thread demanding that he be chased out of the game by an angry mob. But wiser heads knew there was a player in there.

Bloody hell. Will be surprised to see Starmer make any kind of gains. He’s all over the place. He needs to just keep things simple and not do any ridiculous photo ops etc. Could probably do with getting rid of whoever is advising him.

 

[mill]

They know the game is rigged. They know the class system is what it is. They're receptive to some change.

But they don't want everything given to them. They understand that "redistribution of wealth" is code for job losses. They don't want to lose their jobs. They don't see themselves as proletariat/serfs and resent the patronisation.

They don't feel 'subjugated'. Again, the language you use is not reflective of everyday real life. This is why you're electorally irrelevant. Until you offer something plausible that is some improvement without massive risk to people's lives, you always will be.

I’m sorry but what do you mean by ‘you’re electorally irrelevant’.

You have no idea what my actual views are apart from I think there should be redistribution of wealth.

Can you explain to me how that is extreme?

 

[dead_soft]

They know the game is rigged. They know the class system is what it is. They're receptive to some change.

But they don't want everything given to them. They understand that "redistribution of wealth" is code for job losses. They don't want to lose their jobs. They don't see themselves as proletariat/serfs and resent the patronisation.

They don't feel 'subjugated'. Again, the language you use is not reflective of everyday real life. This is why you're electorally irrelevant. Until you offer something plausible that is some improvement without massive risk to people's lives, you always will be.

I'm not sure what you are basing the first line on.

Since when is redistribution of wealth code for job losses? Even Lisa Nandy was standing on a policy of redistribution of wealth and you'd hardly suggest she was on the left of the Labour Party.

I am sorry that @mill and his ilk have caused The Labour Party to be a decade out of power thanks to the language he uses on the internet and I believe a full investigation will start promptly.

 

[Blue 1]

Amazing seeing Peter Mandelson, of all people, saying there needs to be an end to factionalism in the Labour Party.

Made me do a proper loud laugh, so fair play I suppose.

 

[mill]

I'm not sure what you are basing the first line on.

Since when is redistribution of wealth code for job losses? Even Lisa Nandy was standing on a policy of redistribution of wealth and you'd hardly suggest she was on the left of the Labour Party.

I am sorry that @mill and his ilk have caused The Labour Party to be a decade out of power thanks to the language he uses on the internet and I believe a full investigation will start promptly.

I think it’s something to do with me living in Islington.

 

[dead_soft]

Amazing seeing Peter Mandelson, of all people, saying there needs to be an end to factionalism in the Labour Party.

Made me do a proper loud laugh, so fair play I suppose.

It's new cuddly Mandelson bringing some much needed levity to the Party

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Bloody hell. Will be surprised to see Starmer make any kind of gains. He’s all over the place. He needs to just keep things simple and not do any ridiculous photo ops etc. Could probably do with getting rid of whoever is advising him.

Bust up with Rayner wasn't ideal - on the face of it you couldn't get two more complimentary politicians. Should be a very re-inforcing front two but sounds like they are miles apart.

 

[Charro]

Who understands redistribution of wealth as job loses?

 

[Blue 1]

It's new cuddly Mandelson bringing some much needed levity to the Party

The sheer brass neck of that fella is amazing.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

What should the Labour Party be saying, 'actually, we're the ones in the wrong so don't listen to us but please do vote for us, we'll be awful'?

Obviously not. But they should be looking for policies that attract the working class. By the working class I mean people who have to go to work to pay the bills, regardless of how big your house is or what German luxury car you drive. If you need to go to work to pay your mortage and utility bills then you are working class in my book. But all they seem to do is to go out of their way to alienate a very large chunk of those people. Labour has now become the party of idealistic students (who don't seem to understand that they are the ones who will be paying the punitive tax rates of LP policy in years to come) and the public sector.
That is just not a big enough tranche of voters to win an election. Some of Corbyns policies were very good. Especially those regarding the nationalisation of the railways and the utility companies. It's just that the voters didn't trust him or the Labour party anywhere near enough to deliver it. This country desperately needs a strong opposition - without a doubt. Otherwise the current incumbents really could go off piste and be very dangerous. However, as other posters have pointed out, that needs to be done by evolution not revolution. It really is 100% crystal clear: The electorate in general do not trust the Labour party in all manner of things. Until that changes Labour are peeing into the wind. However, from where I sit, I really don't see a genuine attitude for change. It's very much more of the same. You are wrong. We are right and we are not going to stop telling you until you listen...

 

[Xizor]

People have been conditioned to accept the abhorrent. With the 'woke' screaming hysterically about each and every little stupid thing, day after day, people have fired back against it with their vote.

Are the 'woke' doing this, or do right-leaning media sources present the 'woke' as doing this in order to firm up the countervote?

And who are the 'woke' anyway? A few thousand on Twitter with nothing better to do?

Honest questions, by the way. I'm fascinated by the commentary about Labour's role in the 'culture wars' and the perception they're chasing the liberal progressive vote at the expense of their traditional heartlands.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Who understands redistribution of wealth as job loses?

Most people understand it as punitive tax rates. That is for sure.

 

[mill]

Most people understand it as punitive tax rates. That is for sure.

You think labour’s punitive tax rates were aimed at the working class?