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[Mrk]

Local elections are more important than the general in many ways.

He’s losing votes to the Lib Dem’s and greens according to the latest numbers. Which would suggest a breakdown in the liberal, middle class vote.

This isn’t an issue with the left getting behind him. It’s a problem of him giving people nothing to get behind.

You can’t name any of his policies. Nobody can because there’s been no policy drive to speak of.

While fair, is this really a surprise? The entirety of his leadership has been masked by covid - hardly the time to be making pitches to the country, not just because nobody would listen, but also because it is literally impossible to build or maintain any kind of narrative when combatting covid is literally the only policy people really care about right now.

 

[Khalekan]

 

[Aberblue]

Was that chosen as the only time Labour lead the Conservatives? I seem to recall a different outcome at the General Election.

 

[davek]

A 14 point lead for the Tories after they butchered the country in this pandemic; worst fatality rate than most other nations; caught red handed a number of times bunging cash to their party's donors and into their own pockets; Brexit a calamity for trade; violence in the north of Ireland kicking off again...and Starmer's party cant lay a glove on them.

A disgrace. And Hartlepool will conform what we all know: the LP under Starmer will need snookers at the next election.

Time to get out of that party. It's a duty of all member's of it to disengage and fund a new party.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

His argument is that what is that the notions of ‘moderate’ or ‘politically radical’ are fairly fluid concepts, that mean different things in different eras which I agree with.
Personally think that ‘moderate’ now or centrism is more right wing than left

It does feel like there is a push back on some of the liberalising efforts of the latter part of the last century. There is debate as to whether England ever veered too far from its socially conservative position but I think it is fair to say that most do not sit on the extremes.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Oh Rachael your hero took one hell of a beating.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The problem is that moderate politicians generally aren’t moderate in their views and actions. Hence saying you are a political moderate is meaningless at best, and a fraud otherwise.

I think it is fair to say that most people are not radical. I agree that a lot of politicians say one thing but do another but successfully pitching to the moderate middle defines success.

 

[LEONARD]

A 14 point lead for the Tories after they butchered the country in this pandemic; worst fatality rate than most other nations; caught red handed a number of times bunging cash to their party's donors and into their own pockets; Brexit a calamity for trade; violence in the north of Ireland kicking off again...and Starmer's party cant lay a glove on them.

A disgrace. And Hartlepool will conform what we all know: the LP under Starmer will need snookers at the next election.

Time to get out of that party. It's a duty of all member's of it to disengage and fund a new party.

Starmer is proving to be a disaster, so desperate to appeal to all, that he appeals to no one.

I thought Corbyn was a wretched man, but he clearly had an identifiable ideology.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It does feel like there is a push back on some of the liberalising efforts of the latter part of the last century. There is debate as to whether England ever veered too far from its socially conservative position but I think it is fair to say that most do not sit on the extremes.

It depends. What would you consider extremes? Cos I hear plenty of mainstream politicians espousing what would be considered extreme right wing policies but nothing that could be considered extreme left.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It depends. What would you consider extremes? Cos I hear plenty of mainstream politicians espousing what would be considered extreme right wing policies but nothing that could be considered extreme left.

Communism, the BNP, etc.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Communism, the BNP, etc.

I generally don’t hear anyone talking about overthrowing the ruling classes and creating a workers state though (except maybe from a couple of the more colourful posters on here ) Whereas the likes of the BNP/UKIP have gained significant votes in recent years.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I generally don’t hear anyone talking about overthrowing the ruling classes and creating a workers state though (except maybe from a couple of the more colourful posters on here ) Whereas the likes of the BNP/UKIP have gained significant votes in recent years.

UKIP did strike a chord with some but we have recently had McDonnell talking about overthrowing capitalism and quoting the little red book.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

UKIP did strike a chord with some but we have recently had McDonnell talking about overthrowing capitalism and quoting the little red book.

True enough. Forgot about that. Quite like him actually but that little red book stunt was cringe.

 

[Number_25]

UKIP did strike a chord with some but we have recently had McDonnell talking about overthrowing capitalism and quoting the little red book.

Fun fact, both James Meadway and James Mills both advised McDonnell to not do the little red book bit.

We've been on a downward trajectory since 2005, and I think that the people that simply brush off 2017 as if it didn't happen are missing a trick.

When Brexit wasn't the issue, the party was able to appeal to a broad coalition of people - including its historic base in the North of England.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Fun fact, both James Meadway and James Mills both advised McDonnell to not do the little red book bit.

We've been on a downward trajectory since 2005, and I think that the people that simply brush off 2017 as if it didn't happen are missing a trick.

When Brexit wasn't the issue, the party was able to appeal to a broad coalition of people - including its historic base in the North of England.

Another fun fact is that McDonnell has identified as a Marxist throughout his life and has no qualms about standing on backdrops containing banners of Stalin and Mao, two of the twentieth centuries most bloodthirsty dictators, responsible for over 50 million deaths between them. If one of Boris's gang stood and gave a speech against a backdrop of banners honouring fascist dictators and far-Right iconography, we would all rightly be outraged. Doubly so if one depicted Adolf Hitler, the far rights version of Stalin and Mao.

It's easy to blame the Corbyn projects failure on Brexit, and I am no going to suggest that it didn't play a part in some thinking but the feedback from the doorsteps was that voters were saying they wouldn't vote for 'that man' [Corbyn] and post-election research identified Corbyn as a bigger problem than Brexit.