tsubaki
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no, there is doubt about it
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no, there is doubt about it
tim cahill
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Agreed.
coollino
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The thing is, the Tories have been a mess too but get away with it. Murdoch is picking the party again it seems.
roydo
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Problem for Labour, atm, is no one other than their core support give a flying one.
The news cycle is vax vax vax. And there is no pressing issue outside of that anyone really cares about. Maybe the Kill the Bill thing, but even that, up against vax/covid, is just white noise.
coollino
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True, plus the red wall voters don't see the difference between Sir Kier Starmer QC and Boris Johnson.
People will remember the vaccine programmes over everything else too for the next general election. Proper mess.
Corbyn did have his faults but there is proof here how much the media circus damaged him.
peteblue
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I believe Starmer has said he’s going to take off the mask and turn up the throttle......Boris is in tears......
That's true, but at the same time Starmer seems to be having an issue connecting to a core audience.
Corbyn, for his many many faults, still had his base to rely on, almost a cult like one. Whereas Starmer inspires no one at the mo.
The hope is he's playing a long game - being grown up during a pandemic, playing politics as little as possible. But even so he's lacked assertiveness in a big way as a leader.
Corbyn’s base wasn’t ‘cult like’ in my opinion. They were/are just people who were happy to hear some left wing, mainstream political discourse for a change.
Starmer has astoundingly succeeded in appealing to absolutely no-one. I really thought he was a decent choice to begin with
tim cahill
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This is so true. He was my choice as Labour leader but he doesn't seem to stand for anything apart from ousting Corbyn. So he's isolated the left of the party and offered very little else. He just seems scared of doing anything that'll be unpopular with the press. So I'm not sure who he's going to appeal to?
wainy
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Nobody. Although I liked corbyns policy’s as a socialist I accepted it would not be enough to win an election. This fella is just a Tory with a red bow, he needs fuckenn off as soon as possible. The little Tory lap dog. The fact he won’t he even visit Liverpool speaks volumes.
Not sure he has any idea who is core audience is, either personally or as a party.
tsubaki
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... which is the real problem here; Labour don't control the news cycle but the government do.
Whilst this is the case, no leader of the opposition will be able to break through via the media route even if the government presides over an absolute calamity (which they've just done) or individual ministers / the PM screw up massively or get involved in scandals. He has to find another way, whilst pointing out how the media are being abused to favour a minority of people in this country. That doesn't have to be in a Trumpy fake-news type way, just point out the truth that there is something seriously wrong in the British press. They'll roast him for it, but he will be telling the truth and most people already know it (hence why paper sales keep declining).
roydo
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Pretty sure Covid trumps both.
tsubaki
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Not really - the news cycle isn't about events, its about how those events are reported. Take COVID for example - successes (like the vaccination rollout) are down to the government, failures (like the rest) are down to bad advice / other people / factors beyond the government's control. The EU ordered its vaccines too late, we have a contract (that is somehow different to their contract), Labour / the SNP / a poster on an Everton forum is just playing politics with this criticism etc etc.
It isn't just with COVID either - the "Corbyn cult" for example, or how he was going to purge everyone who opposed him, were mentioned daily in the papers and by hacks / commentators online.
This is then repeated day after day, so often that you can see people repeat the memes on here, or at work, or in conversation anywhere. The Tories know this, which is why they are even now expanding the means at their disposal to interfere with the nations perceptions - with GB News in particular stuffed full of money, opinionated arseholes and all ready to crank out hours of daily reminders that Johnson is a good chap really, and did you know Starmer let off nonces and terrorists?
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