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ForeverBlue92 said:
Thats right Sir Keir - just sit back and allow the Tories to self implode.

You'll be PM before you know it ♡
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Only thing he can do. Irresponsible to vote against it with prospect of no deal, and given it's a matter of immense importance up against a deadline with only two options, abstaining isn't viable.

So it's vote for it but make it clear there's no ownership of it from Labour right from the outset.

He's the only grown up in the room. He's made a few mistakes but generally he's been extremely solid by simply not being an extremist.
 
Tubey said:
Only thing he can do. Irresponsible to vote against it with prospect of no deal, and given it's a matter of immense importance up against a deadline with only two options, abstaining isn't viable.

So it's vote for it but make it clear there's no ownership of it from Labour right from the outset.

He's the only grown up in the room. He's made a few mistakes but generally he's been extremely solid by simply not being an extremist.
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He has to entirely slate the deal and what the past two governments have done these past four years, point to the division that they’ve deliberately stoked and warn of the massive risk this poses to the UK. He has to also talk about the horrors of no deal, ladling on the risk to Brits abroad and what happened in Kent these past few days

In short, voting for this has to be seen to be as unpalatable as possible, as they are after all doing to be crying that “you voted for this” when it all goes tits up.
 
tsubaki said:
He has to entirely slate the deal and what the past two governments have done these past four years, point to the division that they’ve deliberately stoked and warn of the massive risk this poses to the UK. He has to also talk about the horrors of no deal, ladling on the risk to Brits abroad and what happened in Kent these past few days

In short, voting for this has to be seen to be as unpalatable as possible, as they are after all doing to be crying that “you voted for this” when it all goes tits up.
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That takes character to do that. Something this hologram hasn't got.

A gutless dullard who'll take the line of least resistance on every issue.
 
tsubaki said:
He has to entirely slate the deal and what the past two governments have done these past four years, point to the division that they’ve deliberately stoked and warn of the massive risk this poses to the UK. He has to also talk about the horrors of no deal, ladling on the risk to Brits abroad and what happened in Kent these past few days

In short, voting for this has to be seen to be as unpalatable as possible, as they are after all doing to be crying that “you voted for this” when it all goes tits up.
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That's what he's doing. He's set his stall perfectly with it.
 
Tubey said:
That's what he's doing. He's set his stall perfectly with it.
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I don’t think he has, at least in terms of an easy to follow statement in the Commons.

I don’t agree with daves poster but it does accurately surmise what the papers / Tories will drum into people over the next four years. He needs to define why he has told Labour to vote for this deal and predict why it will fail, which is a tough ask but achievable.
 
Some interesting developments with Labour.

A group like this being set up outside the party can provide the infrastructure to welcome hundreds of thousands into a new party set up by ex LP members and funded by trade unions. https://skwawkbox.org/2020/12/29/pu...our-in-exile-network-to-fight-reign-of-terror

The Starmer Party is quite obvioulsy going to be a neo-liberal accommodating, Blairite infested attempt to sweep up the 'middle ground' in UK politics and will aim to offset the loss of the left by recruiting from and appealing to LibDems.

This would be a good thing. It might take years to accomplish, but if we had a socialist alternative to the busted flush of the LP it'd be worth it.
 
davek said:
Level pegging after Johnson killed 60,000 people in this country.

What a result for Starmer that is. Actually level pegging with a mass murderer.

Hat's off.
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Cold and as mean a Tory heart is, in reality those 60,000 deaths have not directly effected that much of the wider electorate.
 
Tubey said:
Only thing he can do. Irresponsible to vote against it with prospect of no deal, and given it's a matter of immense importance up against a deadline with only two options, abstaining isn't viable.

So it's vote for it but make it clear there's no ownership of it from Labour right from the outset.

He's the only grown up in the room. He's made a few mistakes but generally he's been extremely solid by simply not being an extremist.
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I can't agree with that. Labour could quite legitimately claim that this "deal" is a purely Conservative Party measure and therefore either vote against it, as the SNP, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru & the Greens did, or at the very least abstain on the grounds that the deal is bad for Britain and so they cannot support it. As it is, whenever they criticise the deal from now on, the question will be asked "why did you vote to support it, then?" The deal would have been passed anyway given the fact that all the Tory MPs voted for it.

Nuances can quite easily be ignored when it comes to electioneering.
 
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