Current Affairs The Labour Party

[chaiwala]

The labour party has long positioned itself as the only conceivable opposition to the tories. But its never had any other reason to exist. So over the years anyone who opposed the tories has joined it and made it a confused mish mash of traditional working class views, social justice themes and the waifs and strays of homeless politics. Its unelectable.

 

[davek]

The Leader's Christmas message.

So his message (backgrounded against the national flag) was aimed at Christians, the armed services and business owners. That could be a Republican politician's season's greetings to the conservative base.

Without any problem whatsoever, Starmer could slip right into the U.S. Republican Party. He's an English Mitt Romney.

 

[Billy Dean]

He's whipping the Labour party to vote for the deal

 

[davek]

He's whipping the Labour party to vote for the deal

The torturer's friend is on the horns of a dilemma here. He has insisted in the recent past that only a deal that secures UK rights will be supported by him. So to whip his MPs for that deal will mean he's a hostage to that - that the deal guards UK interests.

He'll row back from that and state that a deal was better than no deal. But he then alienates passionate Remainers and Europhiles in his own party. Maybe not to the point they walk out, but where he opens up another conflict for himself within the LP, this time from his centre-right.

I've said it before about Starmer: he's smart, but he's not street smart.

 

[peteblue]

The torturer's friend is on the horns of a dilemma here. He has insisted in the recent past that only a deal that secures UK rights will be supported by him. So to whip his MPs for that deal will mean he's a hostage to that - that the deal guards UK interests.

He'll row back from that and state that a deal was better than no deal. But he then alienates passionate Remainers and Europhiles in his own party. Maybe not to the point they walk out, but where he opens up another conflict for himself within the LP, this time from his centre-right.

I've said it before about Starmer: he's smart, but he's not street smart.

He’s not a politician which I’ve said before. He’s a middle ranking manager, with no imagination or vision, trying not to upset anyone......

 

[Blues Harp]

He’s not a politician which I’ve said before. He’s a middle ranking manager, with no imagination or vision, trying not to upset anyone......

And you were what?
A high flying manager?
Bet you had your share of brown enveloppes/ bribes in your illustrious career.....or the women of your choice.....Phwoarr eh?
lol lol

 

[peteblue]

And you were what?
A high flying manager?
Bet you had your share of brown enveloppes/ bribes in your illustrious career.....or the women of your choice.....Phwoarr eh?
lol lol

I was a high flying manager in my twenties, I progressed a fair bit as I got older. Good business does not require brown envelopes, they are for bad businesses or dealing with certain country intermediaries, good business is about selling the right quality product at the right price so everyone is happy. Starmer has no product of his own and makes no one happy.....

 

[Blues Harp]

I was a high flying manager in my twenties, I progressed a fair bit as I got older. Good business does not require brown envelopes, they are for bad businesses or dealing with certain country intermediaries, good business is about selling the right quality product at the right price so everyone is happy. Starmer has no product of his own and makes no one happy.....

You must be St Peter then if you never accepted a back hander in whatever form it took...money,greed and sex fuel climbing the greasy pole.
You must be the one in a million exception to that rule then. Not a criticism btw, just acknowledge it.

 

[davek]

There seems a lot of pressure building on the hologram to instruct Labour MPs to abstain and make the Tories own the Brexit disaster.

He's in knots on this. But that's what happens when people aren't principled and cant stand behind their own record.

It's going to be brutal when the murderer taunts the hologram in the Commons vote.

 

[Billy Dean]

The torturer's friend is on the horns of a dilemma here. He has insisted in the recent past that only a deal that secures UK rights will be supported by him. So to whip his MPs for that deal will mean he's a hostage to that - that the deal guards UK interests.

He'll row back from that and state that a deal was better than no deal. But he then alienates passionate Remainers and Europhiles in his own party. Maybe not to the point they walk out, but where he opens up another conflict for himself within the LP, this time from his centre-right.

I've said it before about Starmer: he's smart, but he's not street smart.

I don't really get why he's doing it. The Tories have a massive majority anyway so it should be academic. Is it to get the 'red wall' voters back onside?

 

[Tree13]

I don't really get why he's doing it. The Tories have a massive majority anyway so it should be academic. Is it to get the 'red wall' voters back onside?

The Red Wall voters wanted to leave the EU. If this deal, in their eyes, achieves that without losing anything they value then Labour are another GE loss and another change of leadership away from being relevant. Taking over from Corbyn was always going to be a poisoned chalice, but if the Tories manage to build any sort of support for their Brexit deal in the Red Wall constituencies then Starmer is finished.

On the face of it, tariff-free trade staying in place whilst freedom of movement is disposed of seems to meet the wishlist of the bulk of Red Wall voters... IF the polling is reliable.

 

[catcherintherye]

I was a high flying manager in my twenties, I progressed a fair bit as I got older. Good business does not require brown envelopes, they are for bad businesses or dealing with certain country intermediaries, good business is about selling the right quality product at the right price so everyone is happy. Starmer has no product of his own and makes no one happy.....

It's funny when you sell things, the higher up you go, the smaller the gains you have over competitors. In the end you accept a certain fatalism. The buyers are clued on, you cant pull the wool over their eyes. You also have pressures from your own business. So the deal will either make sense, or it wont.

As for Starmer, hes just a typical barrister. They will very rarely take a position or a risk. They are generally very risk averse. Events pass him by.

He doesnt think on his feet very well. He obviously models himself on Blair, but I'm sure we could all agree, whatever our personal views on both, from a competency standpoint they are levels apart.

In a business sense, probably the sort of guy who doesnt really see the medium term and beyond. Quite good at managing week by week, but doesnt set things up for the future. A lot of business is that really, you do things that you know will only pay off months down the line. He seems a bit funnelled vision to me and lacks vision.

 

[random]

As for Starmer, hes just a typical barrister. They will very rarely take a position or a risk. They are generally very risk averse. Events pass him by.

The Labour equivalent of Theresa May, in order not to offend anyone just constantly sits on the fence.

 

[peteblue]

It's funny when you sell things, the higher up you go, the smaller the gains you have over competitors. In the end you accept a certain fatalism. The buyers are clued on, you cant pull the wool over their eyes. You also have pressures from your own business. So the deal will either make sense, or it wont.

As for Starmer, hes just a typical barrister. They will very rarely take a position or a risk. They are generally very risk averse. Events pass him by.

He doesnt think on his feet very well. He obviously models himself on Blair, but I'm sure we could all agree, whatever our personal views on both, from a competency standpoint they are levels apart.

In a business sense, probably the sort of guy who doesnt really see the medium term and beyond. Quite good at managing week by week, but doesnt set things up for the future. A lot of business is that really, you do things that you know will only pay off months down the line. He seems a bit funnelled vision to me and lacks vision.

Indeed, he’s not up to the job....

 

[davek]

I don't really get why he's doing it. The Tories have a massive majority anyway so it should be academic. Is it to get the 'red wall' voters back onside?

I wouldn't be surprised if he's genuinely clueless at politics. His position on the Brext deal will fail to impress Brexit voting northerners and will alienate Labour from Remainers and the youth vote that the LP have relied on in the last two elections.

I dont think he does strategy. He's an intelligent idiot in that respect.