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[davek]

Ha Ha Ha.

Starmer just opened up a whole world of pain for himself.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I imagine he does mate.

I ain’t preaching I know a lot but what I do know is the actual principles are that of my own but some of the faces of momentum over the past couple of years have caused nothing but issues.

Easy targets for the Daily Mail for example to devalue it very easily.

People like @tsubaki are the very reason why I dislike Momentum and their ilk - patronising, condescending with a we know more than you do attitude. Maybe if the working class had the time to spend their days readying academic books rather than having to graft 10-12 hrs a day they would have the time to tell you the ins and outs of politics.

I agree in what you say that the principles are sound, but history tells you that when the middle/upper classes get to power under the promise of " proper Socialism" or "communism" the working classes lives dont improve one jot and instead you get authoritarianism - why you ask?

The answer is simple- the middle/upper classes have disdain for the working classes - they look down on them as racists, gammons, stupid, the great unwashed who are not clever enough to hold an opinion therefore you need sending to reducation camps or worse.

You see it even on here - if you aint a Corbynite you're a Red Tory, Ukipper etc.

If you're working class mate believe me you dont want the likes of Momentum getting a whiff of power as they aint any better than the Tories and they relate to the average joe on the street no better than Johnson and his elitist crew.

 

[tsubaki]

People like @tsubaki are the very reason why I dislike Momentum and their ilk - patronising, condescending with a we know more than you do attitude. Maybe if the working class had the time to spend their days readying academic books rather than having to graft 10-12 hrs a day they would have the time to tell you the ins and outs of politics.

I agree in what you say that the principles are sound, but history tells you that when the middle/upper classes get to power under the promise of "Socialism" the working classes lives dont improve one jot and instead you get authoritarianism - why you ask?

The answer is simple- the middle/upper classes have disdain for the working classes - they look down on them as racists, gammons, stupid, the great unwashed who are not clever enough to hold an opinion therefore you need sending to reducation camps or worse.

You see it even on here - if you aint a Corbynite you're a Red Tory, Ukipper etc.

If you're working class mate believe me you dont want the likes of Momentum getting a whiff of power as believe me they aint any better than the Tories and they relate to them no bettern

we do know more than you though, as you’ve shown here - indeed this whole last few pages has been you repeating things about Momentum that just are not true

 

[ForeverBlue92]

we do know more than you though, as you’ve shown here - indeed this whole last few pages has been you repeating things about Momentum that just are not true

You claim Labour lost the election because of the media.

You're sadly brainwashed mate.

 

[tsubaki]

You claim Labour lost the election because of the media.

You're sadly brainwashed mate.

... which isn’t what I said, but by all means carry on

 

[ForeverBlue92]

... which isn’t what I said, but by all means carry on

"The main two reasons why the Tories win elections is firstly because they have the backing of most of the media, and second because people read, listen to and watch the media."

Pretty conclusive to me mate.

 

[tsubaki]

"The main two reasons why the Tories win elections is firstly because they have the backing of most of the media, and second because people read, listen to and watch the media."

Pretty conclusive to me mate.

the key bits being “why Tories win elections”, “the backing of most of the media” and “people read, listen to and watch the media” which is not the same as “you claim Labour list the election because of the media”

you of course being a particularly good example of people who believe everything they read

 

[DanEFC92]

Bollocks to Starmer.

 

[TrachyBlue]

You claim Labour lost the election because of the media.

You're sadly brainwashed mate.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

[Charro]

"The main two reasons why the Tories win elections is firstly because they have the backing of most of the media, and second because people read, listen to and watch the media."

Pretty conclusive to me mate.

What part of this is wrong?

Have you heard of a man called Rupert Murdoch? It’s pretty much impossible to win an election without his backing.

Election campaigns are all about how the media portrays you.

Very little is won and lost on policy. It’s all about the media and the job they do on you.

 

[davek]

Bollocks to Starmer.

He maintains the Corbyn suspension and just now has congratulated Johnson for self isolating.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

The utter bells who voted for Starmer in that leadership election. There's your reward.

Ok, Starmer wants to have a civil war that drags on and on. So be it. Let battle commence. He'll lose it.

 

[TheSecondComing]

People like @tsubaki are the very reason why I dislike Momentum and their ilk - patronising, condescending with a we know more than you do attitude. Maybe if the working class had the time to spend their days readying academic books rather than having to graft 10-12 hrs a day they would have the time to tell you the ins and outs of politics.

I agree in what you say that the principles are sound, but history tells you that when the middle/upper classes get to power under the promise of " proper Socialism" or "communism" the working classes lives dont improve one jot and instead you get authoritarianism - why you ask?

The answer is simple- the middle/upper classes have disdain for the working classes - they look down on them as racists, gammons, stupid, the great unwashed who are not clever enough to hold an opinion therefore you need sending to reducation camps or worse.

You see it even on here - if you aint a Corbynite you're a Red Tory, Ukipper etc.

If you're working class mate believe me you dont want the likes of Momentum getting a whiff of power as they aint any better than the Tories and they relate to the average joe on the street no better than Johnson and his elitist crew.

Yeah I don’t really have time to sit and read Karl Marx back to front.

I also understand what you’re saying about middle class attitude towards “the great unwashed, gammons”

There is an attitude they ignore what true working class people want and rather try to tell them what they want I get that.

I also get that I’ve seen many opinion on here that is bordering on if not full authoritarian even facist from the far left.

I see may positives in equality and racing the rich but my main issue is the people who front this and I ain’t talking Corbyn etc.

 

[BigMick]

Certainly. The LP are a socialist party and JVL are the only authentic representation of socialist thought amongst all affiliated Jewish groups.

Thanks Dave. I believe there are around 100 JVL members; the other Jewish members of the Labour Party are therefore not socialists?

 

[davek]

Thanks Dave. I believe there are around 100 JVL members; the other Jewish members of the Labour Party are therefore not socialists?

Yes, that's correct.

 

[BigMick]

Yes, that's correct.

Right. So could you hazard a guess at how many Labour Party members are actually socialists, and how would you describe the rest?