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[ForeverBlue92]

Yeah I don’t really have time to sit and read Karl Marx back to front.

I also understand what you’re saying about middle class attitude towards “the great unwashed, gammons”

There is an attitude they ignore what true working class people want and rather try to tell them what they want I get that.

I also get that I’ve seen many opinion on here that is bordering on if not full authoritarian even facist from the far left.

I see may positives in equality and racing the rich but my main issue is the people who front this and I ain’t talking Corbyn etc.

If you want a true socialist government then you need working class leaders to deliver it.

Momentum and their upper middle class politician's who despise the working classes particularly if they are white as you know white privilege and all that can never deliver a united and equal society any more than a person who's never experienced racism can understand how it feels to be racially abused, or someone who's never been a victim of crime trying to understand a victim of assault/rape etc.

The Far Left are as dangerous as the Tories hence why Corbyn lost by a landslide its just a shame the alternative was another 4 years of the Tories.

 

[davek]

Ha Ha Ha. Perhaps the penny is just now dropping for the fools on the left like this feller who gave Starmer a chance because they thought he was a "unifier"?



"Unifier".

Ha Ha Ha.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Starmer is determined to make labour a tory light party. Would be very difficult to support a party led by him in an election.

 

[davek]

Right. So could you hazard a guess at how many Labour Party members are actually socialists, and how would you describe the rest?

I can tell you with some ease that no socialist would ally themselves with any force that embeds apartheid. Ergo: none of them are socialists unless they condemn it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ha Ha Ha. Perhaps the penny is just now dropping for the fools on the left like this feller who gave Starmer a chance because they thought he was a "unifier"?



"Unifier".

Ha Ha Ha.

Still early days to unify, and pause for flagellation maybe this is what is needed on this issue. However, Starmer needs to be careful because it wont take long before he is seen as really is trying to divide the Labour party, if he continues with course like this he will likely get less votes than in the last election.

 

[Blue 1]

Why don't you just name your terms, Pollard?

Defenestration good enough, or perhaps hung, drawn and quartered? Or maybe burnt at the stake.

Just be honest and say "I want every single left wing politician imprisoned, trade unionism banned, and UKIP/Farage's latest adventure installed as the official opposition".

Git.

 

[tsubaki]

Why don't you just name your terms, Pollard?

Defenestration good enough, or perhaps hung, drawn and quartered? Or maybe burnt at the stake.

Just be honest and say "I want every single left wing politician imprisoned, trade unionism banned, and UKIP/Farage's latest adventure installed as the official opposition".

Git.

This is of course the problem with quite a lot of the people who were prominent in the anti-Corbs movement.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ultimately for Stamer with Johnson installed as PM, punching himself Government and Tory party in the face until it implodes, Starmer has pretty much free reign to bide his time on this matter. It's a good time to air the laundry...

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Starmer is determined to make labour a tory light party. Would be very difficult to support a party led by him in an election.

The thing is mate the likes of Momentum would rather another 4 years of Tory Austerity cuts to the most vulnerable and poorest of our society than get behind Starmer just because he isn't a raving socialist

Baffling - we all need to get behind the bloke.

 

[dead_soft]

The thing is mate the likes of Momentum would rather another 4 years of Tory Austerity cuts to the most vulnerable and poorest of our society than get behind Starmer just because he isn't a raving socialist

Baffling - we all need to get behind the bloke.

Get behind him like,
'he's increasingly digging his own grave allowing the wolf in sheeps clothing to continue conspiring from within.'

'I see Starmer has rolled over for the fanatics in Momentum.

Gone are the days of politicans with conviction - any leader who U turns at the slightest bit of pressure or criticism isn't the leader for me.'

'Im not Starmers biggest fan'

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Get behind him like,
'he's increasingly digging his own grave allowing the wolf in sheeps clothing to continue conspiring from within.'

'I see Starmer has rolled over for the fanatics in Momentum.

Gone are the days of politicans with conviction - any leader who U turns at the slightest bit of pressure or criticism isn't the leader for me.'

'Im not Starmers biggest fan'

Still behind him...

 

[davek]

Still early days to unify, and pause for flagellation maybe this is what is needed on this issue. However, Starmer needs to be careful because it wont take long before he is seen as really is trying to divide the Labour party, if he continues with course like this he will likely get less votes than in the last election.

He's using this issue to purge the left. And he;s starting with the last leader of the party and his main leadership election opponent. Forget the anti-semitism farrago, it's a convenient smokescreen for taking the LP away from it's last two manifestos and back into the neo-liberal fold where Blair and Brown had taken it.

That's why there will for certain be a massive civil war. It's not just about high profile individuals, it's about what the party stands for - hence the left membership and trade union bosses coming in quickly behind Corbyn to show their numbers and strength.

I've said all along: if Starmer wants a fight he'll get one.

 

[roydo]

if Starmer wants a fight he'll get one.

How does that actually work?

The membership who dont like him vote him out? Can they just do that, or is there a prolonged, tedious election? (Last one lasted months iirc).

edit. Soz, meant to quote the Civil War bit.

 

[davek]

How does that actually work?

The membership who dont like him vote him out? Can they just do that, or is there a prolonged, tedious election? (Last one lasted months iirc).

edit. Soz, meant to quote the Civil War bit.

There wont be a new election for leader as the PLP will support Starmer and there isn't enough votes there for the left.

The civil war will be conducted over the fight to maintain existing LP policy especially on the economy; expulsions at constituency level and resistance to it, and factional struggles to capture each constituency; NEC elections will be fought tooth and nail on a factional basis; and there'll be a struggle to stop/encourage trade unions withholding finances.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

If you're working class mate believe me you dont want the likes of Momentum getting a whiff of power as they aint any better than the Tories and they relate to the average joe on the street no better than Johnson and his elitist crew.

lol Only know a couple of members of momentum myself and they run and deliver food parcels to some of the most deprived areas in the country. Places a member of the Conservatives will never ever visit or even know about.
I mean you could accuse them of being ‘bleeding heart liberals’ but you’d have to pay me significant amounts of cash to go into some of the sink estates they deliver to.
The tories have brought us brexit, slashed money for poor people and fostered a growing movement of xenophobia. They’ve deflected blame from the upper echelons of our society and focussed people’s anger largely onto immigrants. What have the far left done to match your equivalence?